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aspiedr Wrote:
The study results will be published this spring. Over 1,000 male aspies participated and over 100 clinicians all across the US, Canada, Great Britain and Germany. To date, it is the single most extensive study done regarding AS and sexuality. Yes, it only studied male subjects. As a psychologist, I am no doubt noticing the anger at which the participants of this forum seem to greet this information. Rather than thankful that studies are being performed, they seem to exhibit anger at the possibilty that a large majority of aspies may be gay. The study did not say that ALL aspies are gay, just a majority.


So, no peer review yet. So why are you putting up a tentative conclusion on a public forum when your study hasn't even been published yet? not very professional.

aspiedr Wrote:
May I ask, rather than spending time online in forums with other self-defensive aspies, are any of those here seeking professional help with their AS? It appears not. And that is sad.


Do you happen to be acquainted with Yetti? You and she seem to be hand in glove with your patronising attitude. Self-defensive? Who else are we supposed to defend when our selves are attacked?

Actually, the prevailing attitude to your first post is amusement at its patent falsehoods. Most of us have created perfectly good lives for ourselves, thank you. If you think that our attitude is a little harsh, just wait until the professionals get their teeth into your study - I expect that it will be ripped apart.

aspiedr Wrote:
Perhaps, noting the responses of aspies in such a forum to data is also part of the study? And the reactions here confirm what has long been believed: That aspies d not like change and also prefer to wallow than to take action to help them selves.

Does simply commsierating with fellow aspies do anything to help you? As you know, aspies are very likely to stay locked on a computer and have chats than to actually go out and meet people in the flesh.

So, I would suggest that you sod off, log off and go out into the world and meet new people today instead of exchanging bitter emails with each other.

And I am saying that as a doctor. Or are you so deep into your AS that you'd prefer to stay and type?

ocampo Wrote:
Aspiedr, why don't you take the hint like the good little NT you claim to be (as you know, us poor misguided closet homosexual Aspies can't take hints ourselves) and SOD OFF?


If you are a doctor, and you have posted your preliminary result here in order to get our response, then this is unauthorised research as per forum rules and you will be banned.

If you are a doctor, then your behaviour here is a disciplinary matter.

If (as the rest of us suspect) you are, in fact, delusional I suggest you take your own advice and remove yourself and your bizarre fantasies to a professional.

ocampo Wrote:
Already reported Wink


Thank you! I knew I liked you as soon as you started posting - I remarked to someone else that I believe you will prove to be an asset to this forum. Thank you for proving me right! Big Grin

aspiedr Wrote:
Please note, I said "perhaps". I just find it curious that the responses attack information rather taking from it.

In accordance with the rules, you have now been reported for misusing that sector of the forum. Please read things before making choics. Rigidity.


May I ask whom it is that you have reported, and for what?

And you have consistently refused to answer any of the questions regarding the so-called study. If you cannot get it published I fail to understand why you expect it to be accepted here, when all you have posted so far are unsupported statements and scurrilous allegations.

Batman55 Wrote:
Er, well, some labels are quite useful...  for instance, I find the Asperger label to be exceptionally useful for me, it helped me find the identity I seemed to lack for the first 25 years of life...


I agree; like it or not, we are all living with labels. I just prefer living with the right ones.

Instead of trying, and failing, to live up to the label 'bright, but could try harder' I might have done better with the label 'bright, trying damned hard but can never succeed at being the person we want her to be'.

Now I can succeed - at being the best 'me' I can be; and not fail at being the best NT that people thought was inhabiting this body! Wink

Lucie1 Wrote:
I can relate to and understand gay men better than straight. I cannot say I understand men that well - to join in their conversations (social) is hard when they speak together.
I am more emotionally driven - not quite sure what drives men - my husband is lovely but I think it is that "woman are from venus - men are from mars" thing.

I don't understand why people are saying jean pierre is aspiedr or why they say aspiedr is a troll - I must be missing something here - maybe I need to study this thread more intensely.


Although since early childhood I always did get on better with males than females, I don't think I will ever go so far as to say that I actually understand another person completely, though. Even the very few people I have met that I have felt are on the same wavelength can surprise me!

I suppose that I get on with other Aspies/Auties best (of either gender, straight or gay); next, nerdish types; next all non-autistic gays; next all other men; last, and not at all, the extreme 'social butterfly' females. I have had next to no understanding of their behaviour and motivations however hard I try - and, believe me, I spent most of my life trying very hard indeed.

As for the supposed troll - look at his profiles - aspiedr & Jean-Pierre - and follow the links to his posts.

I'm sorry too. Sad

I wish I could back off when I see trolling, or someone supporting a troll - but I cannot bear to see people like that win. I know I'm not gay - but I do have gay friends. And I would hope that I would stand alongside them in real life if it should ever be necessary.

So, if you'll have me, I'd like to be your friend on here. I promise not to butt in to conversations with my 2c unless I smell another troll! And I will promise to ask permision first.

Apart from that I will leave well alone and I hope this thread will return to being a haven for you all.
You really need to read this whole thread, logicalconclusion.

Homosexuality is NOT a 'lifestyle choice' any more than a very little autistic boy lashing out during a meltdown is 'being naughty'.

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...#pid171967

I respectively suggest that you stop reactively posting here for a couple of hours until you have read a lot more of the posts and can be a little more respectful of the rest of the membership.

I believe that you could be a great asset here, but you come across as rather strident and dogmatic. Please could you tone it down a little?

logicalconclusion Wrote:
I just wrote a whole post but it didn't appear, I'll try to retype it.

Firstly I dont have all that great social skills, but i do believe very firmly in my conclusions, thus the name. I never try to be disrespectful on purpose Sad. I have trouble there, you know? The post in WOW that you linked was just because SO many kids have tantrums in the shopping center, its an epidemic not unique to kids on the spectrum... Thats all i was pointing out, maybe the kid was just being naughty? I didn't see that post as offensive.

Logical


You might not see it as offensive, but it did come across as very critical of our new member.

If you didn't mean it offensively, please post an apology to her on her thread.

logicalconclusion:

You just don't want to understand, do you? I hope that you will understand when you are older.

How many times do you have to be told 'Homosexuality is NOT A CHOICE' that you need to 'agee with' or not.

Any more than how high-functioning you might be is a 'choice'.

My mother was punished at school for 'choosing' to be left-handed.

We get quite enough grief from ignorant people who 'do not agree' with this 'new-fangled' Asperger's Syndrome diagnosis, and think it is just a label that middle-class parents give their badly-behaved offspring as an excuse when they cannot be bothered to discipline them.

Stop this at once. You have had the title of this site explained to you already.

logicalconclusion Wrote:
Just because you say its not a choice (homosexuality) , doesn't make it true. However I'm tired of talking about homosexuality, because as previously stated, I don't care what others get up to enough to want to punish them for it. As long as they don't push it on my kids when they are born, I really don't care. We are going to home school anyhow.

Logicalconclusion


Homosexuality is an intrinsic difference just as real as autism. Nobody can 'push it' onto anyone, and no-one can possibly decide to be heterosexual if they are not. Big of you not to care enough to punish someone for being different.

You are full of prejudice and sadly lacking in logic.

I do agree with some of what you have said, but probably for entirely different reasons because, unfortunately, you have been so logically inconsistent that I cannot actually discern a coherent philosophy.

And you are far from being the only one here who is part of a family that can boast generations of Aspies.

Why do you come on to this thread that is for gay Aspies to hang out together, do a bit of gay-bashing and think that you can then say you are 'tired of talking about homosexuality'?

Any more of this and I will conclude that you are a troll.

logicalconclusion Wrote:
You do not like what I say, So i am saying it JUST to make you Mad?

This is the difference, I ask questions and want to debate. You on the other hand feel completely within your rights to insult me directly. Do you think your writings would sound entirely fair and balanced to any objective (off board) third party? Mine are far more mundane. I do not even question your logic, until now, directly... In continually making a statement with absolutely ZERO proof.

"Homosexuality is an intrinsic difference just as real as autism. Nobody can 'push it' onto anyone, and no-one can possibly decide to be heterosexual if they are not. Big of you not to care enough to punish someone for being different."

Once again, that is a statement, not proof of anything. I just said I was willing to give up and walk away, but you just had to stick the knife in again didn't you? I was done... and then this. My philosophy is very easy to discern.

I do not believe in Homosexuality but even though my strong convictions (which are my right to hold) I would not stop them from doing as they see fit.

I am pro Life because I believe in justice for all, especially the young. They deserve to leave the womb with their minds unfilled with toxin.

I believe in limited government, and fairness for all under law. That means no affirmative action, no social laws of any kind. Marriage itself should not be a state function. Follow the constitution.

Death Penalty in extreme cases, if you have committed murder and DNA proves it, it is not up for the tax payers to look after you... you deserve to die for what you have done. There is justice in that.

The philosophy is easy. Conservative Libertarian. I believe in the importance of a moral society, but also in a limited and restricted government... so I could never agree with morality being legislated.

I have looked at every political standing, this one seems to be the best as far as its fairness, justice and overall quality of society.

Logicalconclusion


Where did I say I thought you were trying to annoy me?

I actually do not think much of the constitution of the USA, nor your version of preferred government. By affirmative action, and social laws, do you mean the rather pathetic attempts to right the wrongs of centuries?

Pro-life to me means anti-imposed death on everyone, regardless of the supposed guilt or innocence or age or intellect or level of consciousness of the human.

You, however seem to be pro-life unless it impinges on your personal comfort.

You haven't actually provided any proof that my assertion that homosexuality is a neurological difference is in any way wrong, just an assertion of your own that you "do not believe in Homosexuality".

Conservative Libertarian sounds oxymoronic.

logicalconclusion Wrote:
I do not have a need to cause conflict, I have a need to debate and discuss. I can not help it if almost everyone here is so politically opposite me, that any mention of my position causes strife... In my message on this thread I simply stated my position... And i did it without resorting to name calling or Nazi analogies. Tigger jumped out at me and chaos ensued. You cannot blame a guy for trying to defend himself from outright frontal attack.

Logicalconclusion


Jumping is what Tiggers do best!

"I don't believe in homosexuality" isn't the kind of assertion that CAN be countered with reasoned argument.

My best friend at primary school was homosexual, as were/are many of my friends since, so I do believe on the basis of personal experience.

There, is that reasonable?

Not one of them 'chose' the life they have. Please explain why you think anyone would 'choose' a 'lifestyle' that subjects them to discrimination, bullying, violence etc.

I sincerely hope that in real life your opinions are not as inflammatory, because the longer you continue here the more your posts read like those of white supremacists.

Yes there were British slavers right up to the nineteenth century. But they were regarded badly by the majority. Slavery has been illegal in Britain since the early sixteen-hundreds.

However, do I believe in restitution? Of course I do. White America and Europe became rich on the backs of those people, if their descendants are poor today it is because we haven't been fair in distributing that wealth.

Do not presume the politics of the people here by telling us that "This isn't supposed to be a left wing forum". We hold a wide variety of political views here - we just do not take kindly to being harangued.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

Logical paradox Wrote:
It's not just a matter of what sort of forum you go to. It's still rude to do nothing but post controversial threads and argue.

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I protect innocent life, the life of a murderer is not my or anyone elses responsibility, except for that persons own. If they are so violent that they need to be put down to PROTECT other peoples lives and property (even in jail), then so be it.


The debate, however is still pointless. Your doing nothing to further your cause, so I assume your debating only to make yourself feel good.


I second this.

To LogicalConclusion: On the abortion thread, have a look at some of Tiggers comments. She's quite happy to stand her ground on issues that are important to her, but at the same time, she's mindful of the emotionally volatile nature of sensitive debates, she engages with the people that respond to her rather than attacking them, and she raises points without using overly emotive language. This is why her posts are considered carefully, while yours are dismissed.


Thank you, Zakkie. I was posting at the same time as you, so didn't see this.

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