Tim, I just think it is so much crap that people think they can tell you who you are based on superficial information. Remember that noone can tell you who you are and who to love. I think sexual orientation is on it's own spectrum. There is not always a clear cut line in preference. Thank the fates you live in California...............people in Florida are often retarded in their social perceptions and assume things about us that are not remotely true. Find someone to love and it don't matter what bathroom they use. I am glad you have a safe place here to talk about this issue.
To Rossco- you are every bit as kind as the mate I met with the same screen name on Delphi. I've yet to meet a rude Australian person.
I know some people who are bi, and there's a lot of misconceptions, even within the gay community sometimes.
Hey Tim that seems to be where the problem is in America. We only approve of sexuality that has procreation as a possible outcome. That leaves many people just out in the cold. I even think gayness should not stop someone from being a father or mother. Many take in foster charges.
To me pleasure is pleasure...
I'm past making babies so why be hung up about who I'm with...
I seem to lack the social boundries requiered to "not" want one flavor or another.
If some one is nice to me I'll return the favor...
Having someone else pick my orientation just sort of puts me off...
Tim
Is there a big difference between North and Southern Cali? I hear all the crazy stories about people in Los Angeles who are full of themselves. I think of where you are in NoCal as more sedate and less worried about clothing and the latest gadgets.
Oh I have ventured out of Cali and it can be scary...
It is one thing to be called names and another to be cornered...
I don't have a limit switch when I am being threatened...so I keep my radar on when I'm out and about.
I felt much more at ease in the third world than in many US cities...
Over there I was just a visitor who didn't force eye contact.
Tim
Yup Tim that about sums up how people can assume stuff about others without bothering to get to know us. I know what people seem to think of me and in my case it works...................I wear rock/roll or gothic themed clothing and have spiked hair and gothic jewelry. I am not skinny but muscular. In Florida, some think I am a dyke................let'em think it.
Red,
The funny part is that some times I can pass for straight and not NT and other times I pass for NT and am called Fag...
And I am not talking about being at a bar or trying to pick someone up...
Men seem to have to push their insecurities on others...I am not a redemption center!
I also do not just roll over for stangers regardless of gender...
So why is it their business unless it is their problem...
It would be nice if any of them had the tolerance to be a friend first then they could find out what I like...
Anyway thanks for the replies Red and Earthmonkey...
Tim
LOL you got a taste of my quirky conversational skillz......................I couldn't resist finding about Cali from someone that lives there. I'm from the backwoods of upstate New York. Too much stimulation from what I see in Cali. Sorry for taking the thread on such a wild drive.............okay bringing back to the topic at hand..........sorry EarthMonkey too
Red,
NorCal is a little less gadget oriented but not much...
Silicon valley is where many of my mountainbike buddies are...so gadgets galore.
Living in the mountains I can get away with driving an old Suburban which is now a celebrity in it's own right...but It is the mountainbiking community where I am comfortable.
If it was the Ski set or the Sierra clubers I would have a tougher time of it.
In mountainbiking it can be great sport to tease someone for being a poser in their new techno gear but can't ride or if they get smug.
Getting beat by the old fat guy on a clunker bike puts the shine on it...
It has taken a long time to fit in but they are an eccentric bunch to begin with.
I'm just a little farther off center...
I think we better "Get a room" or people will think we hyjacked the thread...
Tim
Or don't believe them when they say you can only like Broccoli!
Tim
Well said Tim
Happy Dappy New Year's!
I still have some of 2007 left...I don't want to waste it!
Tim
you got three more hours than I do!
This thread sure got messed up again...........................
Thanks for that Bella...
That is what my experience has been...
I want to know people as individuals not as some piece of a percieved group.
Tim
Batman55,
Trying to be intimate with someone you are not attracted to doesn't work.
Dr.Pierre would tell you just take viagra...whatever!
Taking a relationship to the next level from friendship for me isn't easier with one gender or another.
I can say that misunderstanding and thinking another guy is interested can be a huge problem...if you come on to a guy who thinks you are friends and he isn't either ready for it or is definitely not into having sex with men you will find yourself in the worst of all possible broken relationships...Try questioning a males sexuality...how would it feel to you for instance.
So this trying the other side for convienience is as messed up as anything can get.
Understanding the opposite sex...I think it is somewhat more difficult.
One worse than the other...I doubt it.
Is it worth trying to understand someone you are interested in...can you think of anything else even remotely as important as another human for your focus and concern.
The likelyhood of success...in my experience for me it is unlikely in the extreme.
There are however 6 billion I haven't me yet...
You only have 3 billion to meet time's awastin'!
Tim
Batman55,
Trying to be intimate with someone you are not attracted to doesn't work.
Dr.Pierre would tell you just take viagra...whatever!
Taking a relationship to the next level from friendship for me isn't easier with one gender or another.
I can say that misunderstanding and thinking another guy is interested can be a huge problem...if you come on to a guy who thinks you are friends and he isn't either ready for it or is definitely not into having sex with men you will find yourself in the worst of all possible broken relationships...Try questioning a males sexuality...how would it feel to you for instance.
So this trying the other side for convienience is as messed up as anything can get.
Understanding the opposite sex...I think it is somewhat more difficult.
One worse than the other...I doubt it.
Is it worth trying to understand someone you are interested in...can you think of anything else even remotely as important as another human for your focus and concern.
The likelyhood of success...in my experience for me it is unlikely in the extreme.
There are however 6 billion I haven't me yet...
You only have 3 billion to meet time's awastin'!
Tim
Being intimate with someone you are not attracted to is one form of hell on earth. A woman can obviously fake that more than a man and we know why without descriptors here.
I like Tim's policy of just keeping the doors open for possibilities. Don't live in a binary world of either straight or gay. I just think sexuality is alot more complex than that. We connect with a variety of people and sometimes that can manifest in a sexual way or just platonic which is equally satisfying. He seems a lot more healthy psychologically than the world out there...............he refuses to live by biases and labels.
The problem is not with anyone's own choice.
It is when you tell someone they have made the wrong choice.
This is what JP did to Campo, and what Dr did to Batman55.
We know who we are attracted to...and not.
Knowing that these choices are within us and not imposed by some societal BS is the point.
That was the point of my post...above.
I don't mind labels by the way so long as I get to choose my own label.
These like most things in our lives are on a spectrum.
Lines are "Guidelines"...not to interfer with individual initiative.
Tim(lives on the spectrum...)
I'll respect you all if you can respect my position.
Asperger's and homosexuality are two separate syndromes. It may cause a level of uncomfortability when one is not homosexual and is classed as being such solely on the basis of a disability, mainly that being Asperger's itself.
This is not to cloud the issue of Asperger's with homophobia, but rather to protect the Aspies from an incorrect categorical label much as I would not like to be called a "playboy" simply because I am single. { I do not wish to further construe that "all homosexuals are promiscuous" which from general knowledge alone is not the case }
Yet, I find both of these incorrect labels to be of concern in my own case, as I am sure that others surely must.
Are you trying to insinuate that homosexuality is a disability?
Ahhh got the gist of what Saint was saying now... sorry for any confusion!