Great, more gay talk...
Why do the religious nuts hate them? What did they do to them?
the religous "nuts" hate them because (apparently) in the bible homosexuality is listed as a sin.
but this is my theory for it
maybe the reason why christianity has a hatred or fear of homosexuality is because christians belive they are the "children of god" and that god created the human race to maintain the earth and the only way they can keep this going is to have children and then here come along some people who like other of their sex and so are of course not going to have any children and they see this as people not doing their "duty" to god - not keeping the earth going by creating more of their race.
of course I don't agree with any of this but it is only a theory
I just have to digress a little bit here but EvilZakkie likened the Autism civil rights movement to the Gay Rights movement and I really have to disagree. I think the autism rights movement should be modelled off of the American black civil rights movement rather.
I think that you are flat WRONG when you say that autistic people are not obviously(visibly) different. They most certainly ARE. Even before people knew anything about autism & asperger syndrome, they could tell right away that I was "odd".Aspies often have physical behaviours(including an "odd" gait while walking)that make them stand out in a negative way whereas gay men dont have much trouble blending in when they choose to do so. A lot of gay men seem to have finely honed social skills and use these to their advantage even though much of society does not approve of their sexual behaviour. Aspie men are seen by Women(especially white)as threatning because of their odd behaviours and are looked down upon for their bad social skills.The same is very true of black men in america(in australia too Im sure)who were wrongfully stigmatized as potential rapists of white girls. My shrink said in response to how I described the way people treat me as: "its like you're black and there's this silent racism".So I think much more can be learned by looking at what the black american civil rights movement has done.
How do you see the two movements as different, and why are you advocating avoidence of the gay rights movement? Do you know anything about either one?
To answer the 2nd question I am not advocating avoidance of the gay rights movement, but I do see an avoidance of the black civil rights movement which really puzzles me.Where I come blacks and gays(including gay blacks funny enough) are treated very differently, and the way people have treated me often seems to have more parallels with a group of people who are visilbly different than the norm than a group whos difference is concealable. BTW Rosco, maybe you arent obviously abnormal but I sure as Hell AM because of my "odd gait" as well as some mild but nonetheless noticeable stereotypies(which are not uncommon in people with Autistic Spectral Disoders). BTW energia, you are quite right that many people still think of homosexuality as voluntary. BTW for you aussies(like EvilZakkie, etc.)
its my understanding that australian blacks are treated even worse than american blacks and australia has further in terms of (aboriginal)minority rights. I mean, from what Ive read they're still viewed as be "subhumans"! So that is an issue for Aspies-being viewed as inferior as well as being different. Many urban white liberals see aspies this way and even blacks too whereas they view gays as being different but in an irrelevant and non-threatning way.
Well, there is still the need of social services for Aspies here in the US: one of those being affrimative action. Thats why I tend to look to the Black civil rights movement-to seek protection from discrimination(ESPECIALLY in terms of employment which I myself have personally delt with!)and things like affirmative action to put an end to Aspies being shut out of society.
It is my understanding simply from meeting huge numbers of different people (I was a taxi driver for ten years and I have often worked in other jobs where I had a lot of co-workers and/or a lot of contact with the public) that most heterosexuals do feel threatened by gays. 'Tolerance' is reluctant, and 'acceptance' very rare indeed.
What I notice is that many heterosexuals feel threatened by homosexuals of the same sex whereas they are actually turned on by homosexuality amongst the opposite sex. For example, many(quite possibly most) straight women really like gay men-but they feel uncomfortable around lesbians.I can tell you how many times Ive heard macho straight guys talk disparagingly about "fags" at the same time saying that 'dude, lesbians are hawt!'
I think "normal" in terms of like others or in terms of as acceptable as the majority when applied to walking, talking and what have you, try to pass yourself off as white if you are black is not difficult - it is impossible. Try to hide your sexuality if you are gay or your autism if you have AS you have a better chance. I have no problem in admitting my 37 years of trying to fit in is reasonably successful. Not without any situations where I come undone in my efforts but is not a constant realisation from those around me.
Well, the Wayans brothers nearly pulled it off in the move White Chicks 
But I wanna say, I have certainly TRIED VERY HARD(when I was a teen) to "fit in" to mainstream society and pass for normal but based on the feedback I got I wasnt successful. People have told me that my physical *mannerisms* are a giveaway that am ABNORMAL. Stereotype behaviours REALLY seem to be offputting to people and have caused people to falsely assume that Im either mentally ill or on drugs 
. So I donno Rossco, each Aspie is different but bear in mind that some people with Austistic Spectrum Disorders are A LOT MORE VISIBLY OBVIOUS than others.
My son is very visibly obviously different. It is his mannerisms, the way he speaks, moves and lack of eye contact. At his new job his mentor went in and spoke to his boss and fellow workers to let them know about his aspergers. This made such a difference. People now seem to be a bit more understanding and they back off. Prior to this at his other job, he was given a hard time because people can see and sense his difference, but they didn't understand. They thought he was weird/ abnormal and as a result he was picked on awfully making it impossible for him to maintain employment.
EXACTLY. I have no doubt that a lot of us obviously deviate from the norm. Which is why I brought up this whole issue in the 1st place! Anyone else here have odd mannerisms that are visually obvious?
Ive had seriously problems in terms of employment because of female employees feeling "threatned" by me even though I did NOTHING WRONG.
Which really reminds me of the battlecry of the gay rights movement:
We're here! we're queer! GET USED TO IT!. The last statement is what I want to promulgate when it comes to Aspies(visible obvious or not!)-if someone is different from you and you happen to be made "uncomfortable" by it but that person has done nothing too you, then you are obligated to suck up, shut up, and deal with it!
*puts up the sign that reads don't feed the trolls*
Do not listen to aspiedr!
Can we please call for a temporary ban?
And, no, the theory has never been discredited and statistics show that compared to aspies in heterosexual relationships, aspies in homosexual relationships fare almost 4 times better in terms of having lasting relationships.
Do you have any scientific evidence to back this up(other than statistics)? WHY would this be any more true for Aspies than for NTs. I know very little of the long-term dynamics of gay relationships, though it kinda seems like they dont last that long-perhaps due to the lack of incentive structures(like marriage). The thing is though: men and women really dont have that much in common, and relating well to the opposite sex requires a lot of empathy.
I remain extremely skeptical that Aspies are more likely to be gay than NTs. But I have no doubt those who are
have an easier time getting laid-as well as an easier time with romantic relationships since men have more in common with each other than they do with women(and vice versa).
First of all Bella, ALL MY LIFE I have had a tremendous amount of difficulty understanding women. Men seem pretty straightfoward to me and they always have. Now I realize that the reason why women are so much harder for me(and MANY other men)to understand is because they are Often indirect.I have met women who are fairly direct and these are the kinds of women I tend to get along with-but such women seem to be the exception and not the rule. Now as for your comments of the gay(dating)scene vs. the straight one-you got it BACKWARDS. Men(EVEN IF they're gay)tend to judge other people primarily based on their appearance and will disregard a lack of social skills if they think that you look good. Men also tend to be a LOT less picky about who they sleep with compared to women; gay guys from what Ive heard have an easier time getting sex than many straight guys do. The straight guys who do find it easy to get laid are either VERY high status Or have exceptionally good social skills(e.g.: the "womanizer"). Havent you noticed here on AFF(and WP too)that its the Straight aspie guys complaining about being single and lonely rather than they gay ones??? Well there's a Reason for that: aspie men are often unable to compete with the more socially adept NT guys. In fact, one of the reasons gay guys are less violent is because the competition for mates isnt nearly as fierce as it is for straight men.
Also - aspiedr is a troll, please ignore him. His posts are meant to insult.
Don't feed the trolls!
Yes, But-its very clear that (straight)women with social deficits dont have nearly the kind of difficulty that their male counterparts do when it comes to finding a mate. What I was referring to is what people are Attracted to as opposed to how they'll get along long term. A physically attractive woman will be sought after by men, not just for sex but relationships as well, regardless of her social abilities. You see, a socially inept woman can compensate by being pretty and flirty.From what Ive experienced as well as heard from others, men are a lot more likely to overlook bad social skills than women. A good example of this is that NT women often react with greater harshness when someone commits a faux pas than most men will.I DO NOT think that its "impossible" to understand the opposite sex but I do believe that it requires quite a bit of empathy-and some people have a much easier time with it than others. My friend Jason gets along Very Well with most women-he also seems to be very perceptive about how they think and feel.
But I frequently hear NTs of both sexes complaining about how hard it is to understand how members of the opposite sex think. I dont correlate personality with gender but I certainly DO correlate behavioral tendencies,drives, and incentives with gender.