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I know homosexual is not a disease its a choice. Thank goodness I'm striaght.

Max the Bear Wrote:
"if I was the guy concerned this is how I would react."

And that might be how Dan would react, too. Or it might not. My point is that ALL people act on a set of assumptions and on a set of possibilities when they are attracted to someone. And we get to know them in order to test those assumptions and explore the possibilities. If you don't take the step, you remain paralyzed and miss the opportunity. Straight people are usually quite open about communicating their attractions. gay people have the same right.

It is not an insult for someone to think you're gay, nor is it an insult for someone to think you're straight. It's not wrong for someone to want to get to know you because they feel an attraction to you.

I'm not insulted when women think I'm straight. If I sense they are trying to initiate a sexual relationship, I casually mention something that indicates that I'm gay. If she persists after I make it clear that I'm gay, then I have to be more direct. "You realize i'm gay, right?" I'm totally open to friendships with women, but i do want them to understand that I'm gay and not interested in them sexually.

RichardL, you do need to pay attention to signals from Dan or Chris as to their sexuality. They will probably say something to indicate they are straight or, if they sense you're "interested" they may drop a hint that they're gay. I know that all this "hinting" and "sensing" is very NT and can be very frustrating or confusing for Aspies, but it's the eay the game is played . I hate the game, but it is what it is.

One very important question: RichardL, how "out" are you? Do people realize you're gay? Are you comfortable telling them? If not, the guessing game could go on forever.


Neither Dan nor Chris has mentioned their sexuality.  I suspect that Chris may be straight, since he was sitting with two girls when I approached them.  As for Dan, I'm not really sure.  I don't think he shows as much interest in girls as Chris does.  I need to pay closer attention to their signals.

It's not very obvious to most people that I'm gay.  I've never had to "come out" to anyone at college (though I've done it in high school).  I  think it would be best if I just told them.  I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  So what if it creeps them out that I'm gay?  If that's the case then I'm really not sure I want to be friends with them.

Max the Bear Wrote:
"I suspect that Chris may be straight, since he was sitting with two girls when I approached them. "

== On the other hand, gay guys usually seem to have female friends. Straight guys tend to socialize with other guys unless it's with a girlfriend.


It's possible that Chris is gay and that those two girls were just his friends.  But on the other hand, maybe he is straight and he wanted to be more than just friends with them.

Quote:
"So what if it creeps them out that I'm gay?  If that's the case then I'm really not sure I want to be friends with them."

== I totally, totally, totally agree. When someone says "but if I come out, I'll lose my friends" I always think, "You can't lose your friends, you can only lose bigots and assholes."


That's true, especially in my case where I didn't even know them very well in the first place.  So it's not like I'm actually losing close friends.

Athlynne Wrote:
Ooh, so now there's a blond guy in the mix too?  I love blonds. Smile

I'm glad you've decided to go slowly.  If Dan and Chris turn out to have a problem with gay people, then of course they're not worth your time...but even if they're straight, you could at least end up being friends with them.

I wouldn't have "Hi, I'm gay" be the first thing you say to either of them, but I do agree you should let them know early on, casually.  Something like, "Oh, by the way, I'm gay, that's not a problem, is it?"  If they turn out to be jerks, at least you won't have wasted your time.

Good luck, and please let me know how it goes!  <hugs>

Athie


Actually I was thinking of something along the lines of "what are you doing on Wednesday evening".  (Valentine's Day)  That way, Dan will be more likely to ask me if I'm gay, in which case I will tell him that I am.

Michael 1 Wrote:
This is a good idea because you can find out about him with a question that is socially acceptable to all sexualities.

If he says he is doing nothing and then asks what your doing you could say that your gay but you haven't got a partner at the moment. Then he may give you a response that confirms his sexuality and clears the air for you. Will he just be a friend or a possible partner.

Maybe if neither of you are doing anything you could make a suggestion that you meet up.

Good luck, Michael.


I have just 3 hours to go before I see Dan.  I'm kinda nervous about the whole thing, but I know that I will have the courage to talk to him when I see him.  There are so many different ways that this situation could unfold, and no matter what happens, I'll be glad that I told him.

Sorry for the double post, but class starts in 15 minutes.  I should go to class and wait for him.
OK guys, here's what happened:  I got to class, sat down near where Dan would normally sit.  Dan came a few minutes late, and I offered him the seat beside me.  So we sat together for the first half of the class, taking notes.  Then the teacher said we could have a 5-minute break.

So I asked him how he's doing and he said "pretty good".  Then I asked how he was finding the course, and he said, "riveting, very riveting".  Then he went to get a coffee, came back, and I was going to tell him.  But then he started talking on his cellphone and left the room.

When he came back he started talking about the math course we both took last semester.  I could tell by that point that he was a friendly person and that he probably wouldn't get upset if I came out to him.  He mentioned that the math teacher wasn't a very good one, and that most students didn't get very good marks on the course (Dan and myself included).

So then I commented on Dan's big muscles and said "you probably exercise a lot".  He says, "yeah, a little."  I said "do you do it to impress the girls, or the guys?" Dan said "well I used to play rugby, and wanted to look like all the other guys, but I'm not playing this year.  It's kind of a habit."

I realized I got nowhere with that question, so I asked him outright, "I hope you don't mind me asking, do you like girls or do you like guys?"  He said "I like girls".  I said 'dang it', and he said, "so you're a guy guy?" To which I responded "yep." I told him I was kinda glad we had this conversation.  Quite frankly, for the most part, I felt quite relieved to know that he wasn't offended by me being gay and me being attracted to him.

For the second half of the class, we still sat there, taking notes as the teacher was talking.  And I realized, this went far better than I imagined.  I can go to sleep tonight knowing that he knows how I feel about him.

Good night everyone, see you all tomorrow.

Richard Cool Big Grin Cool Big Grin
I'm not planning to come out to Chris.  I just don't have a huge crush on him like the huge crush that I have on Dan -- I just think Chris is kinda cute.  There are lots of cute guys at college -- there's really nothing special about him.  Dan, on the other hand, is Hot with a capital H.  Even if Chris were gay, it wouldn't be fair to begin a relationship with him and be thinking of Dan all the time.

Even though Dan told me that he liked girls, I still can't get him out of my head yet.  Maybe it's the fact that we were gazing into each other's eyes as we were talking about our math class last semester and our chemistry class this semester.  Maybe it's the fact that when I asked him who he was trying to impress by having big muscles, he didn't tell me whether he was trying to impress the girls or the guys.  Maybe it's the fact that when I asked him specifically about his sexuality, he mentioned that he liked girls but he didn't say that he didn't like guys.  I think Dan may secretly be bisexual, and I think that's why I'm still thinking about him.
Well, the psychic that I saw today did say that I would turn out to be bi as well, and that Dan and I would be involved with each other.  Also there is a girl/woman coming into the picture, someone who I don't know very well.  Probably Dan's girlfriend wanting a threesome.  Cool. Cool
Have you ever had a crush on a female?
I didn't get a chance to talk to Chris.  It doesn't matter, he's not quite as hot as Dan.  I'll try to talk to Dan again on Monday evening.

Athlynne Wrote:
<waves to newbies>

Richard, do what I'd do - always go for the blond. Smile

Hmm.  Gay and Aspie.  You guys don't like taking the easy road, do you?  Well, I'm of the opinion that people who are "different" are in order to help teach tolerance.  Gods know we need a hell of a lot more of that...if only so I can stop screaming rude things at the TV whenever crackpot-Christians are talking. Smile

<hugs>

Athie


Hmmm... nah.  Blond-haired guys are alright but I like brown-haired guys better.  I don't know why.

Coming out to Dan was just a one-time thing.  I don't plan to come out to any other guy, unless he is really, really attractive.  Even then, I'll take things slower and try to pick up on his nonverbal signals.

seven Wrote:
i am queersexual.

does that count? i think it should, both don't abide by gender rules.

i am a moderate functioning autistic, female, 17 years old. my favourite type of person to date is gay males, and oddly enough ive dated a few despite the fact that they are gay and i am female. they didn't mind me being female, Because im queersexual, and have "less vulgar" 'male' tendencies, and like to dress like a male as much as i like to dress like a female. i have also dated bi females, and strait males. have not happened to date a lesbian though.


Have you dated bi males as well?

I guess I could say that I'm bi, I have a little bit of interest in the opposite sex (even though I'm mostly attracted to the same sex).
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