Aspies For Freedom

Because gays are outnumbered 10 to 1 by straight people, and because it is difficult for Aspies to reliably pick up on some of the very subtle signals that would indicate that a person is gay, I don't think it's the best plan to just wander through the Straight/NT world encountering random people and saying, "Excuse me -- you're cite. Are you gay?" It seems likely to lead to a lot of broken hearts, hostility and maybe a broken nose.

When my AS boyfriend first came out (age 24) he want to a local gay and lesbian center and attended gay discussion groups. When he started looking for a boyfriend, he went online to gay social sites about his own interests -- science, politics, etc. He and I (NT) met at a gay site for Democrats. At a place like that, you know that a) the people you meet are gay, and b) you have a common interest with the people you meet.

Good plan, Richard. I totally agree. Are there places you can go (besides just bars ad pick-up places) to meet other gay people?

For example, when I first came out, I went to this place once a week: http://www.pacificcenter.org/  But I realize such places are not common. I was lucky to be in the san Francisco / Oakland / Berkeley area.

" Clubs in my experience are the WORST places to meet people for Aspies, precisely because of the eye and mind games that are employed there. "

Agreed. The social games seem to require everyone to be an ****. Even perfectly nice people are often assholes at the clubs and bars. And if someone seems nice, that's often an act their putting on. Very difficult. Essentially they are okay of you're just looking for a quick hook-up, but if you're looking for something more than that, i think it's best to look elsewhere.

Seven, being gay (or straight) really has nothing to do with "gender rules."

"being striate, you are fallowing what some people consider your 'natural gender role'."

Then "some people" are not very bright and should not try to inject themselves into discussions that require a reasonable grasp of the terms "sex" "gender" "natural" and "orientation." They should strive to overcome their ignorance before passing judgemenmts and offering their "considerations" on topics they know nothing about...

Andy, my boyfriend (Aspie) was similarly uncertain about his sexual orientation when he was in his early twenties. He rented two DVD's -- one straight, one gay. He watched both, presuming he would respond to one or the other. He did.

As to your Christian family, there are gay-hating Christians and there are non-hating Christians. If you have the latter, there's no problem that can't be worker out. If it's the former, it's essentially their problem, not yours, but it could still be a difficult time for you.

Are you a minor living at home?

JC, I'm a gay semi-NT man in a very happy relationship with my Aspie boyfriend. The biggest problem in any NT/Aspie relationship will be communication and each understanding what is going on in the other's mind. Not to be merely negative, but, frankly, I can't imagine how that can be accomplished via internet and occasional Skype and video.

There are people here at the forum who are in long-distance relationships, but they're probably not reading this thread becase they're straight.

I would suggest starting a new thread on "Aspie/NT long-distance Relationship and see what ideas you might recieve.

Y'know, if someone came to an Aspie thread and said "Any of you folks been following the story of Cho Seung-Hui? I sincearly hope none of you engage in *that* kind of behaviour" the poster would be labeled a troll, banned, and be universally seen as a despicable loser -- which would be an entirely accurate perception.

But of course, you'd hate to see the cops raid the gay cruising areas in Portland, since, according to your own posts, you've spent quite a bit of time there... Funny how exactly like Craig and Foley you are... so homophobic, yet so endlessly, deeply fascinated with your own most graphic and perverse fantasies about gay sex.

Your attempt to turn a gay thread into your 900th anti-gay s***-smearing freakshow is such a poignant reminder of why you are so despised here. And everywhere else, I'm sure.

I suppose the two could be confused, as you have obviously done in your own case.

And Sen. Craig is NOT gay. He said so himself. My understanding is that most of the guys who hang out at the public sex sites -- guys like yourself -- consider themselves straight, but "curious" about the cruising scene, just as you described your trolling of Portlands's cruising area.

Curious? Fascinated? Obsessed? What is the progression? Who knows how the mind of a homophobe who craves gay sex works? You would know more about it than I.

My point is, using Craig as a way to s***-talk gay people is exactly like those people who use Cho to defame Aspies. Whether Cho was actually Aspie or not, he was used by sick people exactly like you to denigrate a whole class of people.

I think so, too. That's why I don't understand why you mistake yourself for Aspie.

That's my point, dunce. It's like your denying being a misogynist and a homophobe and a bisexual. Your actions speak louder than your words.

I sincerely apologize for mis-remebering in which city you cruise the gay sex areas.

I'd offer you a shovel, but I see you're already dug that hole half way to China without one.

Because you are exactly like the reprehensible Senator Craig. You're so grossly homophobic that the mods have had to repeatedly delete your filthy anti-gay posts -- but while you're s***-talking gays, you yourself are about as straight as the Yellow Brick Road.

You've told much more in past threads than you seem to remember. And even without those unsolicited gems of inadvertent self-revelation, your on-line antics alone tell your sad story.

Wow, GuessWho -- so (wait, let me get this sraight) so what you're saying is that GOD HATES FAGS?

Really? Why didn't you already say this a couple of hundred times?

oh, wait -- you did.

Chris, you have nothing interesting, meaningful, fresh, valuable or remotely intelligent to say on this subject.

Just shut the hell up.

If you want to believe this garbage, fine. But no one needs or wants to hear it any more. Gay people have a right to come to this site without your insane homophobic babbling. You're a troll, like any other gay hating troll that infests any other website. They usually get banned.

If you want get on your rickety soapbox and and claim that you MUST speak "the truth" no matter how insulting, obnoxious and offensive it is, then I want you to explain why it would be wrong for me to start posting about some pretty harsh and horrible "truths" about you?

You need to get whatever desperately needed psychiatric help it would take for you to shut your fat mouth about gay people, or the mods need to shut it for you.

You have run your ignorant gay-bashing crap for far too long. If you are going to continue to turn this site into your personal crusade against gay people, we're going to take it to the next level.

This is way past anything about your hateful, fake religion. You are going to take personal responsibility for your sick obsession, and this is going to go where it needs to go.

If, as evidence would indicate, you don't have the brains to figure out that this would be a good time to stop, you better talk to someone that does, and you better take their advice.