Aspies For Freedom

I have been reading around this site alot, and I feel the most negative vibe from this place... It almost seems like every one wants to be the worst case, and no matter what your life is harder than everyone elses.  Well here is my input.  I am normal, my son not so lucky... He is only one and a half but you will be damn sure he is going to get the help now that he needs to live as much as a normal life as possible, and I will not pitty him because he is different, he needs to learn that no one is going to feel sorry for him because of his problems.  And with time and lots of theropy  he will be able to control his self.  And I will guarentee that 20 years from now he will thank me.  And as far as a cure... why not?  Im sure there are people out there who would love to be able to live a normal life.

And the grass is always greener on the other side, some one always has it better, and someone always has it worse.  

This will be my last post beings how you all act like your the only people in the world with problems.  Keep up with the bitching and complaing.. Im sure it wont get you any where.  Atleast in my world it wouldnt!  

PS please Ban me from the site as Im sure Ill never use it again

Oh wow, Im sorry that NT's arent allowed to express their personal opinions on this site.  Stop making up excuses why you dont want to be normal.  

Remember, you have to blend into my world, I dont have to fit in to yours.
So I dont care if you think Im a ***.  Im real, and I have thoughs and opinions too.

I'm not even going to get in on this one, but Amy, I don't think she is a troll, granted I haven't (yet) checked her other posts, but the tone of this one, it comes off more as upset and frustrated, than trollish, emotions, such as they are, do run high on both sides,  and perhaps, we shouldn't be so quick to judge, just like some NTs shouldn't be so quick to judge us.

I can understand Racheal's point of view.  She has recently discovered she has an autistic son.  This is devastating news, because it ensures a life of difficulty for at least two people.  Then she finds a site where autistics are fighting against a cure for autism.  This must seem like a very sick joke.  

Before too long, Racheal will hopefully have found ways to make her son's life a happy one, and she'll realise that today's adult autistics have had a lifetime of confusion, and to deal with that and become well-rounded individuals and good people is a monstrously difficult task, fraught with pitfalls.

A little patience and tolerance all round, please.

Sounds like the anger stage of berevement, mixed in a bit with the denial (she's going to try and make her son "normal"). That's the second stage, so hopefully it won't stay there.

Amen!  xD  

Rachael, our lives aren't harder than everyone else's.  They're difficult in different ways, and I'm sure we are nearly all aware that there are plenty of people worse off.  I spend every day of my life putting in twenty times the effort to "fit in" that you do, and if I want to occasionally vent about it, who are you to judge me for that?  How on earth do you claim to know anything at all about my life, my past, or what I have accomplished despite (or in some cases because of) my AS?  

I'll bet you never *** to your NT friends about anything.  You probably go through life never complaining, never lamenting the bad things that happen to you, never feeling anything but upbeat and cheery.  I'm sure you'd never stoop to something so obviously deplorable as seeking out a sympathetic ear for things you don't air publicly.  I'm also quite sure the drugs you'd have to take to actually be like that all the time would thoroughly fry your brain, which might explain your ignorant, snippy little superiority fit.  That, or else you're just a hypocrite with delusions of grandeur.  Either way, I feel bad for your kid.

what's odd to me is that I have had the exact opposite impression of the discussions on this site (maybe I haven't found the right threads).  from an interested NTs perspective, I am fascinated by the concept of neurodiversity and the idea that autism isn't a "disease" to be cured, but a unique perspective to be explored & valued.  I've found the discussions on this site to be interesting, compassionate, and pretty dang uplifting.  

which makes me think that fructose had a very insightful response to Racheal's post.  I think we NTs place too high a value on "fitting in" and being "normal"--we all experience and cause suffering as we try to achieve the perfect norm instead of delighting in each others' uniqueness.  I can imagine that if Racheal hasn't come to the conclusion (most don't, I'm afraid) that everything that makes her son unique is what makes him precious (instead of equating his worth to an impossible image of normalcy) she would react angrily to the idea that his autism is not a huge tragedy.

Well, this is in response to just breifly reading this:

You know, a while back i heard a quote from my mom, "the grass may look greener on the other side of the fence, but it still needs to be mowed." So in other words, it may look like other people have it easier, but they are working hard at it...

Racheal, first of all, do you know what it's like to be autistic, obviously not.  from what you said, you have no idea what it's like to live a bad life, you problably had everything handed to you like a little baby.  I think your a peice of ***.

The cold hard fact is that your son will problably be depressed and angry at the world and maybe even suicidal like me when he reaches my age, 18, then what, your gonna rant and *** at him.  Then he will commit suicide, then what.  

You say bitching and complaining wont get you anywhere, well then get the hell off our site because it's not getting you anywhere.

As for NTs in general, they will come to and end eventually, they'll kill themselves through war, fights etc.....

In other words, you're just another neonazi.  You're just another KKK-type.  You're just another bigot, intolerant, smug, self-satisfied, and a burden upon the world.

You're just another drag upon humanity, lowering our collective intelligence and our collective morality.  You just said as much.

I think what Rachel is angry about is lot of us complainingg about how NTs try to help us be better people so are lives will be easier and will be able to live normally instead of having to struggle to have it and here we are complaining about it because we see (in my opinion) we think the NTs have to change into us, not us turning into them by learning to be like them because it  be too hard and lot of work for us to try try again to work on our skills we lack. No offense everyone.


I am very thankful for all the therapy and work my mother put into me that will help me in my adulthood so I can be successful. If she never did a thing to me, I probably wouldn't be living on my own or have a job because I wouldn't understand social rules and be able to control my anger and thoughts and what I shouldn't say.  There are still things I have troubles with: I have no clue when I'm having troubles judging personal space, I don't know when I'm saying is inappropriate I have troubles judging distance but found a way to cope with it,  I am sensitive to some fabric,  I can't tolerate all noisy places, I don't like lot of people laughing around me because it stimulates me, I cannot tolerate the room getting noisy all of a sudden, I lack some social skills but I don't know what I'm still lacking but I know I still lack some but have gotten better in the past three years, I'm still shy, I have troubles reading between the lines but I can with my mother most of the time because I have known her since the day I was born so I have figured out in my teens when she says something she means this and she doesn’t have to say every step again every time she wants me to do something.  I have troubles reading people: body language, eyes, mind reading. I still get obsessed with stuff but have learned not to talk about it all the time or people won't want me to be with them.  Now I don't want to talk about them at all the time because I had made it a habit and it's hard for me to break a habit. But there are some things about me my mother doesn't think is a big deal so she doesn't even bother to change it but she still gives me tips if I'm struggling like I was getting sick and tired of guests complaining about me and I didn't even know why. I stay out of their way and all but they still complain about me nonetheless and what more do they want and my boss keeps telling me I need to be courteous to the guests but hello I tell her all the time I do stop when I see them and I always move my laundry cart away from the elevator when I see guests on there so they have room to get off but yet they still complain but they didn't do it to two other employees who had to pick up laundry, then my mother said "You don't have a sign on you that says 'I have aspergers so I have troubles judging distance.'" Of course I asked what it had to do with it and she said people with it have troubles judging personal space and I said why aren't they telling me I'm their way, I can't read their minds and she told me people already know how far to stand away from people and she gave me tips on how to do it to make complaints less common like ask guests if I'm in their way or not or if I’m standing to close and if they say 'yes' back up a little and ask if that’s far enough.  She also told m about hallways, if I see guests coming, instead of standing on one side of the hallway, pull aside where the doors are to the hotel rooms and wait until they get by.


My mother has helped me with some emotions and understanding other people and how to behave around others and think of others. Heck I even had an imaginary friend who happened to help me out too by giving me these tips, Just imagine if someone did this to you, would you like it? If the answer is no, don't do it to others, if the answer is yes, go ahead. Pretend you are that person and someone hugs you but you pull away because you didn't want to be hugged so when you do that to someone else and they pull away too, it means they don't want to be hugged either because you'd be doing it too if you didn't want it either. That's how I read body language just by knowing how I react to stuff so i assume the same with others. It's helped me a lot but doesn't always work since everyone is different.  Having an imaginary friend sure helped me out back in sixth grade.

attitudes like jasons dont help anyone, all nts will destroy ourselves through war etc, etc,  he sounds like he wants to kill us all himself!

yes, if I had the choice and the accessories, I would kill all the NTs, Nuke 'em ALL! HAHAHA.

I dont choose to think like this.  if you had any idea what I've been put through by NTs you would understand.  

Constant bullying by gangs, individuals, getting jumped by my whole 6th grade class of NTs to name a few.  Getting teased, made fun of by the whole class.  Never been close to a female.  imagine stuff like that, happening to you everday of your life.

Been there, been through that, got the scars and broken bones to go with it.  I grew up.  It was my choice.  I could decide to turn out just like the "NTs"--just like you are doing, or I could remember that I don't have to be led around by emotional social responses, that I have access to a different way of thinking, a different way of looking at the world.

I could choose to respond to "NT" treatment by becoming just another kind of "NT" or I could choose a different response.

So what?  My eldest is formally diagnosed, and his mother never said such stuff.  Numbers 2 and 3 are also quite likely--she's been able to accept them as they are.