Aspies For Freedom

Rachael, first priority cure your nasty, bitchy attitude.
Does it make you feel clever to go to an autistics forum and tell people they cannot express their own personal opinions?

Its NTs like you that give the others a bad name. YOU are one of the reasons a lot of us don't want a cure, to become selfish, narrow minded, and bitchy.

Typical troll - 'I'm leaving' then has to crop up again to troll some more.
I dont need an excuse to not be normal, I was born like this. I do not have to blend into your world, I cannot blend into it, because I am not argumentative, spiteful, and bitter like you are.

Go and abuse people somewhere else.

I don't need to judge, I read what was there.

This is part of the damage that trolls do, and what they love, causing disruption between other members of a forum in their wake.

When she says "This will be my last post beings how you all act like your the only people in the world with problems. Keep up with the bitching and complaing.. Im sure it wont get you any where. Atleast in my world it wouldnt!

PS please Ban me from the site as Im sure Ill never use it again"



What do you think she is trying to say? And why is she saying it? If she's upset as you say, what is she upset at, we have done nothing to her, and why should we bear the brunt of her ranting at us?

Judging means reading something and forming a conclusion, exactly as you have done lestat, or that anyone does. If we don't read other people's posts and form a conclusion then there is no point reading anything.
The whole 'don't judge' thing is a bible remnant that people constantly use to criticise other people.

She says about her son "And with time and lots of theropy he will be able to control his self".  He is 1 1/2 years old.  How many toddlers do not ever ever have tantrums and are into total control of themselves?

Most of us, do know how to control ourselves.  We grew up.  Our parents helped us.   Most of us did not receive therapy.

Fructose, she hasnt found that her son is autistic, she suspects it.
Her son may not be autistic, she won't know until he's actually diagnosed.
If she bothered to read the front of the forum she would know we are against a cure, if she thinks thats a sick joke then she could go somewhere else.

Do you think people should show patience and tolerance when they are being abused? I don't. I think we have the right to defend ourselves against it.

Patience and tolerance ends when someone is abusive.

this just makes you wonder if some people DESERVE children... If you think they are there as a "toy" or to show how perfectly normal your life is, then you shouldn't have one. and if that isn't the reason, then you need to learn toleance and to help the child in the best way you can, and sometimes, this means encorurageing their diferences...

now I'm just waiting for the comment from Gareth on the

Lol, yes Gareth wrote about the 'Please ban me' phenomena on his site some time ago.
Needless to say the person has not been banned, as stated in the forum rules we do not ban on request (the main reason being that the same people then sometimes like to complain that they were banned  :roll: ) we only ban on numerous complaints or serious threats/attacks.

Maybe she will come back when she feels better.  She could get some good advice from some of the parents here.

and Johnnyrottencrabappleseed

I feel sorry for this woman and her son. Both are doomed, it seems, to a life of trying to fit in and being another zombie of modern society.

On another note, let's try to be cool here and refrain from insulting people.  

on pg. 2 likedcalico was talking about how her mother helped her with social stuff.  

with my mother being another unofficial aspie, too, but very different from me, she has always been able to help me with some social stuff too, like mainly things involving knowing the social expectations (she knows more of them than i do, except when hers are from the 1950s and what's expected has changed) or seeing the opposite perspective to mine (sometimes i can do the same for her).

of course sometimes we both have no clue and we have to ask our colleagues or our students.

i donno if this is useful, i just thought i'd throw it in.

I am not positive and this is not really my fight to get into, but ...

I think this woman (Racheal) was responding to something that does exist here... I mean there is a lot of complaining.  For people who say we don't want to be different, we do complain a lot about the problems our difference has gotten us into.  I think the 2+2 that didn't get put together was that mainly we might be mad at NTs who are intolerant to us, and that in a tolerant social environment, our difference wouldn't be such a big deal.  But this is kind of a complicated idea.  It took me a while to understand it, anyway.

And in terms of us thinking our lives suck worse than anyone elses, well, I'm sure everyone thinks that at some moments.  And sometimes it's that moment when you write that dramatic post that later you realize is not really what your life is like all the time... or doesn't have to be, or whatever.  For me it took listening to my students to realize that NTs have big problems, too... And that even some students who seem normal, have some really hard things going on psychologically and emotionally... and even some have different "invisible disabilities" (autism is sometimes considered one of these... But as I'm not sure if it's really a disability, I won't call it one).

Back to topic, if I can manage to... Ummm...
Yeah.  That Racheal thinks that it's more lucky to be born normal than abnormal, well,  that is really a pretty usual thing to think.  You can't expect people to "get it" right away, especially if they have never tried being abnormal and don't know how much quality of life is possible or -in less serious terms- how much fun it can be to be weird.

And I really cringe when I read things (not only in this thread) about people wanting to kill all NTs.  We can't talk casually in favor of what is basically another form of genocide, and then complain that people want to get rid of our kind.  That is bad logic and it is also just a bad idea.  

It is terrible the kinds of things some (most?) of us suffered in school and other places in society (my examples of bullying were minor but I've read so many others)... but that does NOT under ANY circumstances give us the right to do the same, or even talk in favor of doing the same.

We ALWAYS have control over our reactions to what is done to us; I mean in the long term summary, of course, because anyone could make a mistake and say horrible things in the heat of upset, when you weren't really thinking what you were saying.  But I mean when we formulate some idea like "this is what should happen" and keep thinking it for a long time, it really needs to be one of generally not killing people.

Oh, I just wanted to give an example of people choosing the right reaction:

I know 2 people that I am close to that were raised in abusive families (and because of being odd they were also not so well treated outside the family). They both made a conscious decision not to do what was done to them.  They both have succeeded to a great degree in becoming very different from and behaving much better than their abusive parent that would have been their main role-model.

Nobody's perfect but we all have to try to do the right thing (with God's help), no matter what was our background.  I used those 2 people as examples becos they are people I admire for that.  

I know I, on the other hand, need to improve very much, along the same lines as what I am saying (not being bitter or revengeful for the things done to me in the past, just trying to do right in what I have control over).

And in terms of other people's intolerance:  I think the best thing we can do is to try to improve awareness so things like that can happen less and less.

Im amazed!

I live together with an aspie for more than 4 years, when i look at him i see a very inteligent, practical, sensitive person.

I adapted to his aspie way of being and he adapted to the fact im not an autist, and never had any problems with that.

I feel sorry for this child, to grow up thinking he's mentaly handicapted or a weirdo. Autists have so much to teach to the world in terms of tolerance. Its a shame n/ts cant look around and see there's other ways of being in life, as important and diverse.

Everytime i see people talking this way, i feel happier, i was the one telling my boyfriend hes an aspie, that its wonderful and he should be proud of the way he is. Even when he went through the fase of having complexes, i spent hours reading out loud "the curious incident of the dog in the night-time" and showing him the other side of looking at things, and the beauty of being different.