Aspies For Freedom

Full Version: Mind's 'Daydream' Centers May Hold Clues to Autism
You're currently viewing a stripped down version of our content. View the full version with proper formatting.
Stopped at a red light or waiting in a doctor's office, people's idle thoughts may focus on themselves, other people in their lives, nearby strangers or their plans for the day.

But a new brain-imaging study suggests the minds of autistic individuals do not engage in these "daydreams" about themselves or other people whenever their brains are free to wander.

The finding could bring experts a better understanding of the inner lives of autistic people, and perhaps even the causes of autism itself. Such insights might have a dramatic impact on the estimated one in every 175 school-age children in the United States with the disorder -- a total of more than 300,000 youngsters.

The interconnected network of brain sites that supports daydreaming also "supports thinking about other people, emotional processing and the processing of familiar faces -- all things that we know are abnormal in autism at a behavioral level," said Daniel Kennedy, a graduate student in neurosciences and psychology at the University of California, San Diego, who conducted the work while at the Center for Autism Research at the Children's Hospital Research Center in La Jolla, Calif.

He and co-researcher Elizabeth Redcay published their findings in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

According to Kennedy, what people think of as daydreaming isn't a low-energy task, neurologically speaking.

"It's actually got a very high metabolism -- it's using lots of oxygen, glucose, the neurons are really firing," he said.

This activity is spread throughout a number of key sites in both the brain's executive centers in the forebrain, as well as areas toward the back of the brain. "It's a really distributed set of brain regions. That's why we call it a 'network,'" Kennedy said. "We call it a 'resting network;' other people have called it a 'default mode' of brain functioning."

In the normally functioning brain, this resting network tends to focus on the self or the self's interaction with others. "Some people think that maybe it has a lot to do with the construction of the self and self-awareness," Kennedy said.

He and Redcay suspected the resting network might work differently in people with autism, however. First, they knew that studies of autistic brains had shown anatomical abnormalities in regions of the resting network. One area, the medial-frontal cortex, "actually grows too big and too fast" in people with autism, Kennedy said.

Autistic people also tend to have trouble with behaviors specifically linked to areas that make up the resting network -- social interactions, face processing and emotions.

But while other researchers had looked at specific parts of the resting network, "nobody has looked at the entire network at once," Kennedy said.

In their experiments using functional (real-time) MRI scans, he and Redcay compared changes in brain-energy usage in 15 people with autism-spectrum disorders (ranging from autism to less-severe conditions such as Asperger's syndrome) vs. 14 healthy controls.

They first measured the brain activity of each study participant at rest. Then, they had each participant engage in the Stroop test -- a standard visual test of attention and cognition that has been used by experimental psychologists for decades. "Previous work has shown that autistics and non-autistics handle this task equally," Kennedy said.

As expected, the brains of healthy controls switched their focus of energy-usage away from the resting network to other cognitive centers as they struggled to solve the Stroop test.

"The resting network shuts down or 'deactivates,' so you can perform the task and let other regions take over," Kennedy explained.

But the researchers saw no such deactivation in the brains of autistic people. "The resting network shuts down in normal subjects, because it was already running high during rest. We didn't see a similar shutdown in autistic subjects -- because it wasn't ever there to begin with," he said.

In other words, it looks as if autistic people may not daydream -- at least not in the way non-autistic people do, Kennedy said.

"We also found that the more abnormal the neural activity in this resting network, the more abnormal their social behaviors," Kennedy said, suggesting that impairment of the resting network increases as autism becomes more severe.

So, what are autistic people thinking about when not engaged in specific tasks? Kennedy said that, so far, researchers have found it tough to get good answers to that question from severely impaired autistic individuals. "We do know, though, that they tend to have repetitive, stereotyped thoughts -- their attention is drawn to things like calendars, schedules, maps, computers -- rigid, concrete things," he said.

"We think that they probably have a much different internal process at rest," Kennedy said.

He stressed that the new findings don't answer the central question of what causes autism, although they do offer tantalizing clues.

"We know that autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder, so what's happening in the first couple years of life are going to be crucial to understanding what is causing autism," he said. "Right now, though, we know very little about this network in early development. In adults, these regions have an extremely high metabolism and use a high amount of energy. So, if that energy supply was cut off or impaired, you'd think that these regions might be the first to be affected," Kennedy said.

Another expert said the finding meshes with what is known about autism.

"They'd be consistent with some of the phenomenology that you see in people with autism and related conditions," said Dr. Eric Hollander, chairman of the department of psychiatry at the Mt. Sinai School of Medicine in New York City, and director of the Seaver and New York Autism Center of Excellence. "These areas might in some way play a role in this particular type of symptomatology," he said.
THURSDAY, May 11 (HealthDay News)
I am stunned at this study, my mind is very often wandering and daydreaming. :shock:
We probably do have different ways of daydreaming than non-autistics, Amy, it wouldn't surprise me.  When I daydream, it's not just idle thoughts about other people, but more specific thoughts about what I might do in a particular situation or how I would respond to something that interested me.

I'd guess that autistics use the same brain circuits for daydreaming as for task-solving, and that's why the researchers are not finding activity in other parts of the brain.
Can any NTs here describe their daydreams so we could compare?
my daydreams can be about just about anything.  it kinda varies.  i could be in fantasy land, or thinking about why things are a certian way.  when daydreaming, people say i'm like outta it and they can tell sometimes...and sometimes its at the worst time where i'm making a breakthrough.

and many times i have cracked problems while daydreaming....just thinking about random stuff...i think that's my big advantage.  and i think that's why my mind is thinking all the time instead of most that turns off during daydreaming, and when i try to sleep, i just slip off to dreamland alot, since i'm thinking until suddenly i hit deep sleep like i was the past two hours.

and on the article....they refer to non autistics as healthy...that's not good.  how about just non autistics.  i'm healthy.  that is all.
i think the diffrence is that we tend to jump to diffrent things quicker than they tend to do, and use daydreaming to solve problems more than non autistics.
I daydream all the time (mostly about interests). I am often more at home there than where I am at the time.
I posted a similar article in the thread about a second consciousness.  This could be it at work. That's why we can sometimes solve problems that we aren't even aware we are thinking about.  Our brains are always working.

theosoph Wrote:
I posted a similar article in the thread about a second consciousness.  This could be it at work. That's why we can sometimes solve problems that we aren't even aware we are thinking about.  Our brains are always working.


Good point, I get those 'eureka!' moments at odd times. Especially when trying to fall asleep, (which presumably would be a restful time for average people), my mind is still ticking like clockwork.

Amy Wrote:

theosoph Wrote:
I posted a similar article in the thread about a second consciousness.  This could be it at work. That's why we can sometimes solve problems that we aren't even aware we are thinking about.  Our brains are always working.


Good point, I get those 'eureka!' moments at odd times. Especially when trying to fall asleep, (which presumably would be a restful time for average people), my mind is still ticking like clockwork.


I diffinatly have problems having eureka moments before I sleep. Often I have to wait two hours before I can shut down. I studying lucid dreaming, perhaps then I could continue my ideas later.

How infuriating! This study is already being distorted in the media, even by the reputable BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4751075.stm

Headline -


Autistic brains 'never daydream'

People with autism do not daydream, a study has found.



:evil:
what a bunch of propadangda..just to make us look like inhuman losers.  i daydream all the time...but mostly it's about my own fantasies that i make up or about abstract situations...usually not based off real life and what i do.  although that happens...
This really boils my potato!  Why don't they just ASK US? :o  
And I do so daydream - pick up any one of my 40+ books, short stories, articles, etc, and they can READ my daydreams!
Alison
This daydreaming discussion, reminds me so much of Osaka from Azu Manga Daioh.

Like, the famous daydream she has, that Chiyo-Chan's pigtails are actually detachable. And every year she gets new pigtails for Xmas, and just pops them right on.
WTF? - How'd they come to that conclusion. I daydream *more* than most NTs (Whichled to no end of trouble at school with the teachers), and then you have seriously Autistic kids who are spaced out, stimming, apparently off in cloud cuckoo land - they're not daydreaming intensivly either?

I suppose next they're going to tell us Autistics don't have dreams or thoughts of their own either [sic]  :evil:
Pages: 1 2
Reference URL's