05-07-2006, 12:29 PM
05-07-2006, 02:21 PM
If someone wants to join up and is mentally competant to, that is the issue. If the guy survives basic training and he does not prove himself, he wouldn't be in a combat role. He will be cleaning toilets for the army and he might be happy. Do you really think that our parents should totally be allowed to control our lives such as having power of attorney? That they should be allowed to control their adult child's pay cheque and all aspects of their life? Change the army to having their son committed to a residential institution that does shock ABA therapy.
The recruiting campaign seems a little aggressive but the recruiters might be receiving merit and bonus rewards for the number of people they recruit. By calling the press, instead of a lawyer, the family did the wrong thing.
If a military draft is ordered, then people called up do not have a choice.
There is a huge anit-military bias here. I found that my time in the military was not such a bad experience. In fact, I received more help and acceptance from other people there than in almost any other work place.
The recruiting campaign seems a little aggressive but the recruiters might be receiving merit and bonus rewards for the number of people they recruit. By calling the press, instead of a lawyer, the family did the wrong thing.
If a military draft is ordered, then people called up do not have a choice.
There is a huge anit-military bias here. I found that my time in the military was not such a bad experience. In fact, I received more help and acceptance from other people there than in almost any other work place.
05-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Who knows? Maybe this Jared will turn out to be good soldier. He could be well suited to life in the military like Forrest Gump and come back as a war hero. He seems to already have an unquestioning loyalty to authority and the training he gets could turn him into fearless killing machine. He wouldn't have the same fear of getting killed as others and could easily be taught to kill without any remose.
05-08-2006, 05:22 PM
Wasn't Forrest Gump a fictious character.
About killing in the army. http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm
Actually the objective for most warfare is to disable the enemy. A dead soldier uses up less resources than a wounded one. Most countries will retrieve and treat their wounded, that is the civilized countries. While other less civilized countries will make use of suicide bombers.
About killing in the army. http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm
Actually the objective for most warfare is to disable the enemy. A dead soldier uses up less resources than a wounded one. Most countries will retrieve and treat their wounded, that is the civilized countries. While other less civilized countries will make use of suicide bombers.
05-08-2006, 09:01 PM
M Wrote:
If someone wants to join up and is mentally competant to, that is the issue. If the guy survives basic training and he does not prove himself, he wouldn't be in a combat role. He will be cleaning toilets for the army and he might be happy. Do you really think that our parents should totally be allowed to control our lives such as having power of attorney? That they should be allowed to control their adult child's pay cheque and all aspects of their life? Change the army to having their son committed to a residential institution that does shock ABA therapy.
The recruiting campaign seems a little aggressive but the recruiters might be receiving merit and bonus rewards for the number of people they recruit. By calling the press, instead of a lawyer, the family did the wrong thing.
If a military draft is ordered, then people called up do not have a choice.
There is a huge anit-military bias here. I found that my time in the military was not such a bad experience. In fact, I received more help and acceptance from other people there than in almost any other work place.
The recruiting campaign seems a little aggressive but the recruiters might be receiving merit and bonus rewards for the number of people they recruit. By calling the press, instead of a lawyer, the family did the wrong thing.
If a military draft is ordered, then people called up do not have a choice.
There is a huge anit-military bias here. I found that my time in the military was not such a bad experience. In fact, I received more help and acceptance from other people there than in almost any other work place.
As I have stated on another thread - joining the military is a personal choice, however selling it on "you'll get money and friends" and giving a glamorous image is completely wrong. Personally, I would not risk my life for my country - those who do so have my respect.
If this guy does well in his basic training and comes out of his 4 years service alright then that's great, but I can't help feeling that these recruiters are somewhat misleading.
The issue of parental control is something else (one which is quite personal to me as I narrowly missed this kind of control). Once a child becomes an adult then unless they are literally totally incapable of looking after themselves the parents should simply let them do what they want. I would hope nobody is claiming otherwise.
05-09-2006, 02:24 PM
Weird how recruiters could be so aggressive. Do the schools give them lists of students who are not enrolled in college programs? How would they get people's names and phone numbers? I do not think that high school guidance counsellors have any right to give out information about students. In my country, that would be illegal.
05-09-2006, 04:55 PM
gotit Wrote:
gotit Wrote:
A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite
rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness
were readily available.
I think this notion of autism is a mental disease should be the salient fact to worry all of us
It could be possible that this reference is not even linked to the individual having autism... it doesn't give details towards it or not for that family. The family in Portland, Oregon the article is about has autism but the family in Ohio could as easily have Bipolar Disorder or other issues. I do not agree on autism being a mental disease when it is strongly evident that we're neurologically affected.
05-09-2006, 09:16 PM
M Wrote:
Most countries will retrieve and treat their wounded, that is the civilized countries. While other less civilized countries will make use of suicide bombers.
I guess you consider napalm, carpet bombing, white phosphor bombs and nuclear weapons much more civilized?
05-09-2006, 10:23 PM
Even in the 90's, millitary recruiters got the records of high school students, even those with plans for college. At least that's how I got a couple of calls from recruiters, but they left me alone after I told them I was never going to be interested in joining. My younger brother was left alone after he told a recruiter that he has epilepsy. We went to a high school in a middle-class neighborhood, where most students went on to some form of post-secondary education. I know we're lucky we didn't have to face the harassment high school seniors have to put up with.
05-10-2006, 01:27 PM
Tobias Wrote:
M Wrote:
Most countries will retrieve and treat their wounded, that is the civilized countries. While other less civilized countries will make use of suicide bombers.
I guess you consider napalm, carpet bombing, white phosphor bombs and nuclear weapons much more civilized?
The original post is not about warfare really. I do not feel like debating because I am not an American. So you can start another thread in the philosphy section if you like.
05-20-2006, 04:28 AM
matthew.peters2 Wrote:
...liberal Communist traitors...
Straw man.
05-20-2006, 09:35 AM
Tobias Wrote:
M Wrote:
Most countries will retrieve and treat their wounded, that is the civilized countries. While other less civilized countries will make use of suicide bombers.
I guess you consider napalm, carpet bombing, white phosphor bombs and nuclear weapons much more civilized?
If you are refering to the Psycology of Killing document linked earlier in the thread then you would know they were not saying such weapons were more civilised but they are psycologically easier to use, when the people you are killing are a long way bellow (IE during bombing) or many km away in the case of atomic or conventional missile attacks it is much easier than actually shooting a living breathing human being you can actually see, even of course in the case of large scale attacks the responsibilty to the person does not have the same psycological effect when figures reach them through media reports or otherwise people see it as numbers.
The difference between those effects is much the same as hearing or reading a report about a disaster impacts on you less than seeing images on TV and of course is far less than actually physically being there or going to the scene to help with the relief effort and actually physically seeing the dead close up in real life not to meantion your other sense which TV just doesn't convey.
Basically it comes down to one basic thing, the minds great capability for denial, however the more real and close it all is the harder it is for your mind to deny it to itself.
05-21-2006, 12:29 AM
ConLang Wrote:
enter SEAN CONNERY
[SEAN CONNERY]: Joshif,...
[SEAN CONNERY]: Joshif,...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Fabulous! I can actually hear Sean Connery saying this! :lol:
05-21-2006, 03:18 AM
matthew.peters2 Wrote:
They have had control of the legislative branch of the US Govt. for decades up until Bush's new nominees got onto the bench, and they are poised to seize overall control of the Executive and Legislative branches as well.
I do not appreciate being patronized by someone who appears to be ignorant on the subject that they are attempting to "correct" me on!
I do not appreciate being patronized by someone who appears to be ignorant on the subject that they are attempting to "correct" me on!
Umm, perhaps it's a good thing that this correspondent WON'T get his hands on a sub-machinegun...
Alison
05-24-2006, 03:45 PM
matthew.peters2 wrote:
"Firstly, Jared Guinther is a personal friend of mine and I can tell you that not a single thing his parents or The Oregonian said about him is true. He may have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, but it would be very difficult to notice just by speaking with him. He functions just as well, if not better, than any "normal" person. Besides, Asperger's Syndrome is not an automatic disqualifier for military service. It is only a disqualifier if the individual needs special accomodations or treatment to function normally. Jared can function normally on his own.
This is simply a case of his parents not wanting to let him go. He is an adult who is fully capable of making his own career decisions. However, his parents still insist on running every aspect of his life."
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So this is an issue of parental control. Replace army with any training institution: university, any career (police, emergency, fire, nursing etc) and you will see that it is wrong for parents to do this unless the person is legally declared incompetent.
"My life-long dream was to serve my country as a scout attached to a Ranger Battalion and Jared and me both chose the same starting MOS of 19D (Cavalry Scout) in the hopes that we could serve together."
-Nothing is stopping you from joining up. You can do it yourself.
"Firstly, Jared Guinther is a personal friend of mine and I can tell you that not a single thing his parents or The Oregonian said about him is true. He may have been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, but it would be very difficult to notice just by speaking with him. He functions just as well, if not better, than any "normal" person. Besides, Asperger's Syndrome is not an automatic disqualifier for military service. It is only a disqualifier if the individual needs special accomodations or treatment to function normally. Jared can function normally on his own.
This is simply a case of his parents not wanting to let him go. He is an adult who is fully capable of making his own career decisions. However, his parents still insist on running every aspect of his life."
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So this is an issue of parental control. Replace army with any training institution: university, any career (police, emergency, fire, nursing etc) and you will see that it is wrong for parents to do this unless the person is legally declared incompetent.
"My life-long dream was to serve my country as a scout attached to a Ranger Battalion and Jared and me both chose the same starting MOS of 19D (Cavalry Scout) in the hopes that we could serve together."
-Nothing is stopping you from joining up. You can do it yourself.