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An Army of one wrong recruit
Autism - The signing of a disabled Portland man despite warnings reflects
problems nationally for military enlistment
Sunday, May 07, 2006
MICHELLE ROBERTS
The Oregonian

Jared Guinther is 18. Tall and lanky, he will graduate from Marshall High
School in June. Girls think he's cute, until they try to talk to him and he
stammers or just stands there -- silent.

Diagnosed with autism at age 3, Jared is polite but won't talk to people
unless they address him first. It's hard for him to make friends. He lives
in his own private world.

Jared didn't know there was a war raging in Iraq until his parents told him
last fall -- shortly after a military recruiter stopped him outside a
Southeast Portland strip mall and complimented him on his black Converse All
Stars.

"When Jared first started talking about joining the Army, I thought, 'Well,
that isn't going to happen,' " said Paul Guinther, Jared's father. "I told
my wife not to worry about it. They're not going to take anybody in the
service who's autistic."

But they did. Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he not
only had enlisted, but also had signed up for the Army's most dangerous job:
cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.

Officials are now investigating whether recruiters at the U.S. Army
Recruiting Station in Southeast Portland improperly concealed Jared's
disability, which should have made him ineligible for service.

Jared's story illustrates a growing national problem as the military faces
increasing pressure to hit recruiting targets during an unpopular war.

Tracking by the Pentagon shows that complaints about recruiting
improprieties are on pace to approach record highs set in 2003 and 2004. The
active Army and the Reserve missed recruiting targets last year, and reports
of recruiting abuses continue from across the country.

A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite
rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness
were readily available.

In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of
a meeting he would be arrested.

And in Colorado, a high school student working undercover told recruiters he
had dropped out and had a drug problem. The recruiter told the boy to fake a
diploma and buy a product to help him beat a drug test.

Violations such as these forced the Army to halt recruiting for a day last
May so recruiters could be retrained and reminded of the job's ethical
requirements.

The Portland Army Recruiting Battalion Headquarters opened its investigation
into Jared's case last week after his parents called The Oregonian and the
newspaper began asking questions about his enlistment.

Maj. Curt Steinagel, commander of the Military Entrance Processing Station
in Portland, said the papers filled out by Jared's recruiters contained no
indication of his disability. Steinagel acknowledged that the current
climate is tough on recruiters here and elsewhere.

"I can't speak for the Army," he said, "but it's no secret that recruiters
stretch and bend the rules because of all the pressure they're under. The
problem exists, and we all know it exists."

Diagnosis and struggle

Jared lives in a tiny brown house in Southeast Portland that looks as worn
out as his parents do when they get home from work.

Paul Guinther, 57, labors 50 to 60 hour weeks as a painter-sandblaster at
Sundial Marine Tug & Barge Works in Troutdale. His wife, Brenda, 50, has the
graveyard housekeeping shift at Kaiser Permanente Sunnyside Medical Center
in Clackamas.

The couple got together nearly 16 years ago when Jared was 3. Brenda, who
had two young children of her own, immediately noticed that Jared was
different and pushed Paul to have the boy tested.

"Jared would play with buttons for hours on end," she said. "He'd play with
one toy for days. Loud noises bothered him. He was scared to death of the
toilet flushing, the lawn mower."

Jared didn't speak until he was almost 4 and could not tolerate the feel of
grass on his feet.

Doctors diagnosed him with moderate to severe autism, a developmental
disorder that strikes when children are toddlers. It causes problems with
social interaction, language and intelligence. No one knows its cause or
cure.

School and medical records show that Jared, whose recent verbal IQ tested
very low, spent years in special education classes. It was only when he was
a high school senior that Brenda pushed for Jared to take regular classes
because she wanted him to get a normal rather than a modified diploma.

Jared required extensive tutoring and accommodations to pass, but in June he
will graduate alongside his younger stepbrother, Matthew Thorsen.

Last fall, Jared began talking about joining the military after a recruiter
stopped him on his way home from school and offered a $4,000 signing bonus,
$67,000 for college and more buddies than he could count.

Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and
surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him
out of football practice.

Recruiters in Portland and nationwide spend several hours a day cold-calling
high school students, whose phone numbers are provided by schools under the
No Child Left Behind Law. They also prospect at malls, high school
cafeterias, colleges and wherever else young people gather.

Brenda phoned her two brothers, both veterans. She said they laughed and
told her not to worry. The military would never take Jared.

The Guinthers, meanwhile, tried to refocus their son.

"I told him, 'Jared, you get out of high school. I know you don't want to be
a janitor all your life. You work this job, you go to community college, you
find out what you want. You can live here as long as you want,' " Paul said.

They thought it had worked until five weeks ago. Brenda said she called
Jared on his cell phone to check what time he'd be home.

"I said 'Jared, what are you doing?' 'I'm taking the test,' he said -- the
entrance test. I go, 'Wait a minute.' I said, 'Who's giving you the test?'
He said, 'Corporal.' I said, 'Well let me talk to him.' "

Brenda said she spoke to Cpl. Ronan Ansley and explained that Jared had a
disability, autism, that could not be outgrown. She said Ansley told her he
had been in special classes, too -- for dyslexia.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, there's a big difference between autism and your
problem,' " Brenda said.

Military rules prohibit enlisting anyone with a mental disorder that
interferes with school or employment, unless a recruit can show he or she
hasn't required special academic or job accommodations for 12 months.

Jared has been in special education classes since preschool. Through a
special program for disabled workers, he has a part-time job scrubbing
toilets and dumping trash.

Jared scored 43 out of 99 on the Army's basic entrance exam -- 31 is the
lowest grade the Army allows for enlistment, military officials said.

After learning that Jared had cleared this first hurdle toward enlistment,
Brenda said, she called and asked for Ansley's supervisor and got Sgt.
Alejandro Velasco.

She said she begged Velasco to review Jared's medical and school records.
Brenda said Velasco declined, asserting that he didn't need any paperwork.
Under military rules, recruiters are required to gather all available
information about a recruit and fill out a medical screening form.

"He was real cocky and he says, 'Well, Jared's an 18-year-old man. He
doesn't need his mommy to make his decisions for him.' "

Question of comprehension

The Guinthers are not political activists. They supported the Iraq war in
the beginning but have started to question it as fighting dragged on. Brenda
Guinther said that if her son Matthew had enlisted, she "wouldn't like it,
but I would learn to live with it because I know he would understand the
consequences."

But Jared doesn't understand the dangers or the details of what he has done,
the Guinthers said.

When they asked Jared how long he would be in the Army, he said he didn't
know. His enlistment papers show it's just over four years. Jared also was
disappointed to learn that he wouldn't be paid the $4,000 signing bonus
until after basic training.

During a recent family gathering, a relative asked Jared what he would do if
an enemy was shooting at him. Jared ran to his video game console and killed
a digital Xbox soldier and announced, "See! I can do it!"

"My concern is that if he got into a combat situation he really couldn't
take someone's back," said Mary Lou Perry, 51, a longtime friend of the
Guinthers'. "He wouldn't really know a dangerous thing. This job they have
him doing, it's like send him in and if he doesn't get blown up, it's safe
for the rest of us."

Steinagel, the processing station commander, told The Oregonian that Jared
showed up after passing his written exam. None of his paperwork indicated
that he was autistic, but if it had, Jared almost certainly would have been
disqualified, he said.

On Tuesday, a reporter visited the U.S. Army Recruiting Station at the
Eastport Plaza Shopping Center, where Velasco said he had not been told
about Jared's autism.

"Cpl. Ansley is Guinther's recruiter," he said. "I was unaware of any type
of autism or anything like that."

Velasco initially denied knowing Jared but later said he'd spent a lot of
time mentoring him because Jared was going to become a cavalry scout. The
job entails "engaging the enemy with anti-armor weapons and scout vehicles,"
according to an Army recruiting Web site.

After he had spoken for a few moments, Velasco suddenly grabbed the
reporter's tape recorder and tried to tear out the tape, stopping only after
the reporter threatened to call the police.

With the Guinthers' permission, The Oregonian faxed Jared's medical records
to the U.S. Army Recruiting Battalion commander, Lt. Col. David Carlton in
Portland, who on Wednesday ordered the investigation.

The Guinthers said that on Tuesday evening, Cpl. Ansley showed up at their
door. They said Ansley stated that he would probably lose his job and face
dishonorable discharge unless they could stop the newspaper's story.

Ansley, reached at his recruiting office Thursday, declined to comment for
this story.

S. Douglas Smith, spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, in Fort
Knox, Ky., said he could not comment on specifics of the investigation in
Portland. But he defended the 8,200 recruiters working for the active Army
and Army Reserve.

Last year, the Army relieved 44 recruiters from duty and admonished 369.

"Everyone in recruiting is let down when one of our recruiters fails to
uphold the Army's and Recruiting Command's standards," Smith said.

The Guinthers are eager to hear whether the Army will release Jared from his
enlistment. Jared is disappointed he might not go because he thought the
recruiters were his friends, they said. But they're willing to accept that.

"If he went to Iraq and got hurt or killed," Paul Guinther said, "I couldn't
live with myself knowing I didn't try to stop it."

Michelle Roberts: 503-294-5041; michelleroberts@news.oregonian.com

�2006 The Oregonian
That's awful. Tricking people who probably couldn't handle combat situations all that well to join up? Forcing them to make decisions that could seriously impact their lives? B******s.

gotit Wrote:


A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite
rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness
were readily available.


I think this notion of autism is a mental disease should be the salient fact to worry all of us

gotit Wrote:

gotit Wrote:
A family in Ohio reported that its mentally ill son was signed up, despite rules banning such enlistments and the fact that records about his illness
were readily available.


I think this notion of autism is a mental disease should be the salient fact to worry all of us


you're right.  autism is not a mental disease.  with the bad autism sterotypes out there, it makes it seem like autstics are whack jobs that need curing in order to be healthy.  i'm mentally stable, autism is not something that makes people become whack and mentally ill, which is false.

I loathe military recruiters with a passion.  They harassed me constantly during high school and absolutely refused to leave me alone because I lived in a low-income area.  I would get pulled out of class in school, harassed at lunch, bothered and followed after school while walking home, and as if that weren't enough, they'd call me at home, repeatedly.  When I said no, blatantly, they'd argue with me.  And I'm female, so I know the pressure must have been worse on my male peers.  It certainly was on my little brother these past couple of years.  

I think the issue here isn't so much the kid's autism as the underhanded and deceitful tactics being used to recruit young people into the military.  Most exclusions presumably exist for a reason -- lying to make quota isn't helping existing soldiers; it's hurting them.  Turning military recruitment into a sales drive is a terrible idea that's going to blow up in someone's face.

Not the recruiters', of course.  They're safely over here, telling prospective recruits things like, "There's no chance you'll get sent to Iraq."  Lying scum.
living with a miltary background, it made the choice not to enter the miltary myself an easier one.  it was nice, but the lifestyle wasn't for me.  my dad was happy in the miltary and all, but i probaly wouldn't like being the one in the miltary.

but the recrutiers were annoying to us, probaly because of that, especally from my older brother.  they eased up on me, but i was in JROTC for two years (didn't like it too much, pe requirments) and pretty much confrimed that the miltary life was really awful (before then, i was sligthly intersted in the life, but wasn't really high up, this knocked it off compeltely).

when recuriters visit my college now, i just talked about my dad when he was in the marines and about my cousins in the miltary (2 at least, i think there was a couple more i'm not sure about).

well, at least i know i probaly would have been rejected.  in my opnion, i don't think many autistics would like that type of life, especally at boot camp.  the miltary has this whole chain of command and rankings that i would really not like, since i think everyone has a contrubiton, regardless in rank (that caused me oodles of trouble in JROTC as well).
in my case, they probaly got my records from my dad.

not sure about everyone else.

M Wrote:
Weird how recruiters could be so aggressive.  Do the schools give them lists of students who are not enrolled in college programs?  How would they get people's names and phone numbers?  I do not think that high school guidance counsellors have any right to give out information about students.  In my country, that would be illegal.


I think it used to be here.  Now, the hilariously misnamed "No Child Left Behind" Act requires that our information be given to recruiters while we are in high school, and low-income areas are targeted with higher quotas.

Well I don't know Jared so I wouldn't know how competent he is or otherwise. Some autistic people have a degree of mental retardation. Its a tough call. If the mum knows he's not capable of making decisions she will be thought of as being a bully and underestimating autistics, if she let him go she will be thought of as someone who sent her autistic son to die so there ouwld be one less. I understand that there are autistics and aspies who are perfectly capable of making sound decisions but are thought unable to do so simplty because of the label, but there might be autistics who are less able to. either way we wont know from one article.
but yes, someone pointed out that the military might actually be good for him. if he thrives on routine and structure it might well be the place where he might shine. My cousin however got exempted from military service, and i really dont think he would have been able to handle it.
but either way i still think that kind of cover up is just despicable.
if he went into the military with no one knowing he had autism except for looking and acting "different", he might be severly punished for things that are simply part of his nature.

limaredsix Wrote:
You all don't know the rest of the story. I work at the MEPS where the kid joined the Army and took his physical. He lied to 7 different people including the doctor. He filled out all his questionaires himself and made a decesion to conceal his medical history. They are asked over and over if they were coached to lie. So even if the recruiter knew and told him to lie, we catch about 95% of that stuff. He presented himself as a normal kid with no indication of a disability. Scored 43% out of 99% on the entrance test (If a million people took the test he would out score 429,000)
     His recruiter had nothing to do with his processing at the MEPS except provide transportation. If he is as mentaly challenged as that BS article states he would have never had the capability to maintain his composure under repeated questioning as he did. Another attempt by the left to slam the organization that provides them the freedom to write half-truths.

Recruiters are not paid bonuses (except civilian recruiters)

Most recruiters are returning Combat veterans from Iraq

This kids original medical PRE-Screening was completed by the Marine Corps not the Army. Nothing was revealed on the paperwork signed by the Kid.

There is much more to this story that was not revealed because of the privacy act.

The reporter twisted the story because Portland OR is the one of the most liberal cities in the world. Too bad they don't realize that Freedom is not Free.


Aww, you're makin' me nostalgic for when I was young and stupid.  Thirteen years old, and I thought George W. Bush was honest.  I would hear no end of ranting about how the liberals were going to put me in jail for going to church every sunday.  I remember current events class, talking about gun control, and that one red-haired girl I'd seen speaking fluent spanish looked over at me.  Why did I think that was hot?  Ah, whatever.  [walks off chuckling]

limaredsix Wrote:
You all don't know the rest of the story. I work at the MEPS where the kid joined the Army and took his physical. He lied to 7 different people including the doctor. He filled out all his questionaires himself and made a decesion to conceal his medical history. They are asked over and over if they were coached to lie. So even if the recruiter knew and told him to lie, we catch about 95% of that stuff. He presented himself as a normal kid with no indication of a disability. Scored 43% out of 99% on the entrance test (If a million people took the test he would out score 429,000)
     His recruiter had nothing to do with his processing at the MEPS except provide transportation. If he is as mentaly challenged as that BS article states he would have never had the capability to maintain his composure under repeated questioning as he did. Another attempt by the left to slam the organization that provides them the freedom to write half-truths.

Recruiters are not paid bonuses (except civilian recruiters)

Most recruiters are returning Combat veterans from Iraq

This kids original medical PRE-Screening was completed by the Marine Corps not the Army. Nothing was revealed on the paperwork signed by the Kid.

There is much more to this story that was not revealed because of the privacy act.

The reporter twisted the story because Portland OR is the one of the most liberal cities in the world. Too bad they don't realize that Freedom is not Free.


Just because this kid lied doesn't mean most recruiters are behaving honestly or professionally in the field, and in the era of Vietnam Part Deux, this is a far bigger story than one person.

If the reporter twisted the story, it is because he or she is a bad reporter, not because people in Portland generally disagree with sending my peers off to die in some godforsaken imperialistic war.  A number of people I went to high school with have died over there, so it's not like I've been living in some upper-middle class liberal enclave where no one you know has ever been in the military.  I think respect for those who have died in Iraq also includes respect for those who were friends and family of the soldiers and would not like to see more young people's lives squandered as though they aren't worth anything.  That has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative.  It has to do with being human, and understanding that the numbers they show on the news -- civilian and military -- aren't numbers, they're people.  Or at least they were.

That's why crooked recruiters are such a problem.  This is not signing people up for a mailing list or a donation.  It's signing people up to quite possibly go kill and die halfway around the world.  It deserves the gravity of such, not of a Girl Scout cookie drive or an "As Seen On TV" sales pitch.  If a conflict is so riddled with lies and inconsistencies that people don't feel it's worth fighting for, maybe that should tell someone something.

I hate to double post, but as an update, it appears the kid has been pulled out of the army.  The video on CNN wasn't working for me, but I'm sure other sources have more information on how/why, and I'll check the local papers to see if it's mentioned at all.  

Has anyone else heard anything about it?
Um, matthew.peters2, do you even know what communism is?  I'm pretty sure none of this has anything to do with a social ideology revolving around equal distribution of community wealth.
Heh, thanks.  Ultra conservatives just make me want to be silly, there really is no explanation for it.  Too much animutation, I suppose

limaredsix Wrote:
You all don't know the rest of the story. I work at the MEPS where the kid joined the Army and took his physical. He lied to 7 different people including the doctor. He filled out all his questionaires himself and made a decesion to conceal his medical history. They are asked over and over if they were coached to lie. So even if the recruiter knew and told him to lie, we catch about 95% of that stuff. He presented himself as a normal kid with no indication of a disability. Scored 43% out of 99% on the entrance test (If a million people took the test he would out score 429,000)


I am Skeptical about that. Most Aspie's are not very good liars.

limaredsix Wrote:
His recruiter had nothing to do with his processing at the MEPS except provide transportation. If he is as mentaly challenged as that BS article states he would have never had the capability to maintain his composure under repeated questioning as he did. Another attempt by the left to slam the organization that provides them the freedom to write half-truths.

Perhaps they should take after the government and start publishing whole-lies.

limaredsix Wrote:
The reporter twisted the story because Portland OR is the one of the most liberal cities in the world. Too bad they don't realize that Freedom is not Free.


Typical.  People like you always bandy the word 'freedom' around.  But I ask what does it mean? What is freedom?

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