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Batman55 Wrote:
They weren't mocking, I am certain of that.


I wasn't talking about "your" schoolgirls but about the advice given for general situations.

tsw Wrote:
Why would you have to point this out? It is the kind thing to do, of course, but you don't HAVE to do it.

Because other people do make fun of those things, and I can't bear the thought of people making fun or spurning someone. That is one of the few areas where I feel "too much" empathy, or rather where I often assume people 'suffer' when they don't necessarily do so.

For example at markets etc. in my mid teens I would always feel obliged to buy something from the one stall nobody is visiting, because it made me feel guilty of sorts and I would expect the person at the stall to be really upset that nobody wants to buy anything from them.
(Of course it's not like nobody goes to that stall when I'm not there/not looking, but still)

It's not just with people though. If there are 2 products that are similar in a shop, and one looks like what people would laugh at and say that it's old-fashioned or a bit rubbish, I will feel sorry for the item in a way and sometimes end up buying it because of that. Or if not, I feel guilty for not having done so.

tsw Wrote:
It's just not that big of a deal, IMO. Let someone else alert him.

If someone wants to know, after the fact, why you did not alert him, you can always pretend you did not notice.


I really do not like that "let someone else deal with it" attitude. I'm the kind of person who can't stand to sit still while something "isn't right".

It is dishonest to stick your head in the sand, although yes I must admit there are times I do this too, for example not speaking up on the bus (as long as I know *I* will be on time) when I know it's going the wrong way. I know intellectually that other people need the bus to be on time to get to work on time, so I feel a bit guilty for not speaking up.

tsw Wrote:
But is it truly "not right"? What harm is his undone zipper causing at that moment?

Not the zipper as such (although it is one of those things that niggles, like pictures not being straight). More the potential of other people mocking the person walking around unawares. The anticipation of such behaviour makes me very uneasy.

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I'm just being philosphical here. I alert other men when I see them in that situation. BTW, I think even NT's find it an akward thing to have to point out.

I am sure they do, in fact the impression I have is that it's "not the done thing" but for me it's a case of, "I think this person would prefer a stranger pointing it out discretely, instead of walking around in 'important' places and around people important to them - work, someone he or she is trying to chat up etc. - with their zip open."

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You will not let an unzipped zipper go, because that would not be honest, but you will not overcome akwardness to point out the bus is travelling on the wrong route?

With the bus it's mostly a case of being stuck in one train of thought (either just gazing out the window, or thinking about something intensely, or listening to an audio story or just "not thinking at all and just being"), and even though the awareness of something not being right is tugging at my mind, it's not always enough to snap me out of it and allow me to speak up. (There's also the matter of it not always being certain, and I hate having to initiate conversations where I can't anticipate the response - if I know I'm right then it's easier)

However if I am aware that the bus is already a bit late, and am therefore already paying attention to this, my mind is prepared to do something. Similarly, if I vaguely notice it may be going in the wrong direction, and then see that we're already late (thus the detour of 5 minutes would make me miss my connection), that is usually enough to snap me out of whatever I'm locked into.

tsw Wrote:
Quite noble of you, even if the suffering you project will happen does not occur.

Thanks, I just wish I could register and act more easily when someone actually needs me to do something.

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LOL. Feeling sorry for inanimate objects is something I have done a bit of myself.

I am putting off replacing a defective item in my fish tank (specificallly, a powerhead/pump) - I have the new one ready to go, still in the box. But the old one worked so well for so long, I somehow feel I am being unfair to it by replacing it. It works well enough for a while if I give it a good wack, so I should adjust to that and accomodate it.  Quite silly, really. Would take 2 minute to replace it.

Yes exactly. If I "fall in love" with a new product sometimes I can easily replace old ones but if it's a case of just replacing it because it is wearing out I feel massively guilty. I even apologise to furniture and phones etc. if I as much as tap them by accident.

*Sigh* but if it's not that uncommon, does that mean that the products left behind in the store are actually the ones that don't need my compassion? Big Grin

Remember, emotion plays a big part in marketing. If they can make a buck by guilting someone in to purchasing a product, they will.[/quote]
I wonder if they every had adverts where a product is pushed by showing it crying on its shelf Wink

(And yes I do not like "false" requests of pity)

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I buy food items that are approacing expiration date if I know I will likely use them before they expire (or can at least convince myself that this is so), even when there are later dated items of same on the same shelf. I hate the idea that they may go to waste.


Me too, I do have to remind myself that "the supermarket" isn't going to go and cry its eyes out if I buy something that doesn't run out today, and end up eating it today anyway. But I am very conscientious and unless there is evidence a food may be too close to spoiling, if I'm going to be eating it today there is no reason to buy something that could last for another week.

tsw Wrote:
I might add that this has led to my unintentionally giving my children slighly soured milk on more than one occasion.

Oops... I used to *not* buy nearly out of date stuff when the local supermarket was having problems with their chillers, because I'd bought so many things that were off I became wary. They work great now though Smile

tsw Wrote:
(this thread certainly has gotten off topic, hasn't it? Perhaps I should post a picture of spoiled milk?)


Cheese would do, at a push Wink

Batman55 Wrote:
I used to think that this would be common among someone raised by Depression-era parents. 

That is more than likely true, if you're brought up to be "thrify" you're likely to be more aware of those things.

My problem is usually that I don't check the dates properly and end up buying out of date stuff though, I only "feel sorry" if it is marked as being near the sell-by date.

There were these popcorn packs in the local shop that were out of date and I made the same msitake at least 3 times.

silky Wrote:
Okay you got it. cheddarvision.tv has a webcam where you can watch a single cheese age over 10 months. The big excitement is when it is time to turn the cheese.  Yes, I aim to please


LOL and I'm trying to stay off cheese! Boo!

Batman55 Wrote:
Oddly, I am the same way.  I hate to see anyone being made fun of, unless of course it is someone who could care less or even "likes it" because it gives them an excuse to argue, etc.

That is a point I have to keep reminding myself of, because the person might not care or they might take offense at my pointing these things out.

Strangely enough it isn't the person's feelings/reaction I am concerned with as such, it's more the fact that the act of teasing and mocking, the vibe it gives off, makes me uneasy. I feel the same way when someone talks badly about someone else behind their back, where the other person isn't aware of it at all.

There was this time when a woman at work (whom I had thought of as not being NT before because she had weird ways of inverting the PC mouse, I had thought it was due to different wiring, but it was because she learned to use a mouse by playing a game that was easier with the mouse turned around!) commented that "I met C.'s Mum recently and she's so normal"

(C. has a very loud laugh and some speech problems but is socially 'normal' and friends with a lot of people at work)

I had to ask her what she meant because I couldn't believe she just said that! And then she admitted it was nasty of her to have said this - although she then concluded with "I bet you're worried about what we say about you behind your back now". Rolleyes

tsw Wrote:
Why? For me, having dairy in my diet give me the peace of mind of having a plausible reason as to why my digestive tract is so screwed up.


Hm... interesting reasoning! Big Grin

For me dairy mainly gives me hearburn, it's wheat that makes my insides grovel and bubble and suchlike. Erm.... But yeah I have not managed to completely avoid them so far (I can't swallow meat, and most meat replacements have wheat in them) but am already feeling a big difference. Especially gut-wise.

hearTburn even!

tsw Wrote:
I constantly have heartburn. I have reflux bad enough (always have had) that I wonder if it contributed to my childhood asthma (I recently heard some children aspirate without anyone realizing it, and this causes the asthma)

My sinus problems definitely feed off acid reflux and vice-versa. Cutting out dairy has made an enormous difference, although hormones also play a role in my allergy stuff.

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I have no idea what in my diet exacerbates it. I have been on many diets over the years, (vegan, gluten free vegan, and dairy free only) and the heartburn seems to stay.

What meds have you tried? I usually have a pack of proton pump inhibitors ready, a few days on those sorts it out if it does come back.

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In fact, the vegan diets seemed to be the worst as far as my digestive system was concerned

That is understandable, more vegetable matter etc. can do that to you.

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Oddly, I gained a lot of weight on these diets as well. (which was not a bad thing - at the time I was 5 foot 10 inches and weighed 119 pounds.)

It is odd that you gained weight but perhaps you were taking in more necessary nutrients because when you're on a special diet you pay more attention to these things?

Ceri Chaos Wrote:
Well this thread got pretty random. Is reflux related to AS? I have really bad reflux and digestive troubles and I keep reading I should give up milk and wheat because AS people can't process them properly.
I can't imagine living without dairy and wheat foods, so I think I'm gonna stick with the reflux....


Not related as such but various stomach and intestinal stuff is associated with autism in general, in many people.

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