Aspies For Freedom

Cudos.

Here, here; Aye.
My thoughts exactly.

I get the same stuff at WrongPlanet, too, when posting about an Autis community.

There's a lot of topics on this same thing. I posted in two threads, so I'll put links to what I said, intead of repeating (I think I wrote enough as it is).

At the bottom ofthe page, post #30:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...882&page=2

Post # 29:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...010&page=2

But as far as the benefits; those are potentially unprecedented.

What I am capable of can be much more easily realized with some assistance from others where I am weak.
Where I am weak for myself, such as self-marketing, I can be strong for others.

This is just me. There are too many Auts we don't even know, and what they are capable of, with the combined resources we all have to contribute, seems to me ... unprecedented in history.

The commmunity is not just an escape. Autis work; hard.

I have some compnies formed (and one I had formed by NT lawyers, and the State forms were sent back to me by the State ... so that company still needs proper State formation; but it is a Federally-recognized business entity. I have - I think - 3 recognized business entities.

I have difficulty serving myself, selling myself, marketing myself. This seems to be the case with the great majority of AS. I don't think we're made to do that. That's what NT's do.

When we understand ourselves better - and fully accept that we just aren't so self-serving as NT's, we can work together to accomplish anything we can imagine.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not being self-serving !!!

Contrary, it is entirely good. Look at what NT's do to each other, to us, to everything, to the planet in serving themselves so gluttonously.

We are distinguished from NT's by this. This is not in any way a 'problem', this is a vast improvement. NT's strive to be selfless, but never seem to be able to achieve that too well.

But we can.

Stop, stop, please stop with this self-esteem smashing. It is all of us you end up damaging.

The vision of a community is 100% good, thoroughly wholesome, and absolutely on the right track.

We help ourselves by helping ourselves; we don't rely on NT's.

We always have done more than them. Such small percentage contributes so much to this world. I have so much to contribute that I will never contribute even a small percent of what I have already worked on, already done and lost, and have still yet so much more to continue contributing.

What I know I have to contribute is amazingly vast. Immense and prolific. the stuff just keeps coming.

I'm just one AS. A community of AS working together? OMG. Staggering.

thanks, Agent Palpitation. The link is working, but the website isn't. I can't get mail either.
I'm working on doing something different with my hosting.

Also ... thanks for *trying* to check the site out. %*@# webhosting company.

Nobody is sure about agreeing with my views.
Words are not scientific and can cause a little bit of problems - especially when discussing something new and potentially emotionally and intellectually controversial.

I aut-not write "not self-serving" ... but aut-rather put "not naturally self-serving" ... or "not natively" ... or "an alien element introduced to the species of...", or ...

I am very familiar with NT's -  but I just call them 'humans' - and also with myself.
I am not naturally self-serving. Not in the essentialy manner in which humans are self-serving.

What is the difference between Autis and human?

I state from my experience with myself, and that I read things all over AS forums which ... hey!!! ... didn't I write that???

What Aspies write, about not being comfortable with many things, like; selling themselves, formal occassions, ... well we all know, I share too, and these things all make sense to me in the light of Autis not having personality identification as opposed to the human psychological necessity to identify with their personalities.

It makes complete sense in my life, and all AS are similar to me in some profound way .. so it seems evident that this is the crux of the similarity.

The personal preferences and environmental considerations and behavioral actions which AS have are not the same, at all, as human personalities.

Humans always construct a pesonality as they develop, and must always have a personality, and they believe they are that personality.
No matter what, humans always believe that they are really the personalities they act and portray.

Destroying the personality of a human is traumatic to them and requires emergency and immediate, long-term psychiatric care. Humans cannot psychologically survive with out their personalities which they live through.

Most Auts don't even have personalities. Only HFA and AS (to my knowledge, but I don't know if I know all the terminology, and don't think I do) constuct and adopt personalities to fit into the world better. But these personalities are not the actual person. Those adopted personalities require a lot of work to maintain, which is why most AS cannot socialize for more than a few hours or so, which is generally true for me as well. It is too exchausting, too draining, uses too much energy to have to make the personality 'act' like everyone else (humans).
It is also generally not very 'fun' to do for AS.

So, without the human personality, there is, on the flip side o the psychology coin - an absence of ego, as well.

The human personality is a social mechanism, and must be socially acceptable, and must not be greedy, cannot be rude, cannot ... etc., etc., on and on. But the human must also serve itself. There is a conflict, then, between the friendly and nice and necessary social belonging personality of humans, which is at odds with the human's self-serving desires. So this conflict goes into the subconscious, which operates on it's own agenda, without awareness of the human.
The human is now in triple conflict between their social personality, which must always beling and can never do anything that would place that belonging at risk, and that they must believe their personality is actually really them, between their ego, which wants only to take and have immediate gratification and doesn;t care about social anything or the needs of the personality, and between the subconscious, which is where all of this conflict is attempted to be worked-out and which subconscious has its own motivations and agendas, taking action and veering the human's actions in ways the human is not aware.

So, in stating that Autistics are not self-serving, I mean that they do not have this conflict raging around inside them like humans do. Auts don't have personalities they believe are actually themselves, and they therefore don't have egos in conflict with that personality's needs. The self-serving center of humans, their ego, in mostly subconscious (humans are like icebergs, about 10% conscious and under their will and awareness) form, is not in conflict within an Aut, because there is not social personality for the ego to be in conflict with.

This conflict is extremely defining of what a human is. Auts do not have this conflict.

When humans try to do something self-less, their subconscious ego takes hold and tries to gain as much from their actions as possible. Humans are not even aware this is happening. Because they are not in control of - or even aware of - their subconscious ego, all of their actions are effected by the subconscious agendas. Humans are unable to remove their ego, or self-serving, from self-less actions, because they are not even aware of their self-serving.

Again, Auts are fundamentally different; no social personality identification means no ego conflict, which means no conflict that gets brought down to be resolved in the subconsious.

So, Autistics do have a self-serving aspect to them, but they are able to put this aside to be objective, truth-seeking, and honest. This is how Autistics can actually be self-less ... but humans cannot.

Importantly is that I am not really meaning that there is no self-serving aspect to an Autistic; there is and has to be.
What I am meaning is that Autistics can be self-less and act self-lessly, but that humans are unable to put aside their personalities and egos, and must keep them intact constantly.

This is what I see clearly.

It also explains everything about both human and Autis.

Agreed to be Amazing.

Thanks, PikaJedi;

I have a bit of reading to do here.

Also, there's discusion on WrongPlanet.net about an Autis community as well. How's the diplomacy between AFF and WP?

There looks to be a community going up in the desert, in Texas, USA. I've been in discussion with the guy who's funding this, but he seems more interested in land-preservation/revitalization and adobes than what I view as an Autis community to serve Auts first and foremost. He's sort of looking at us serving the land's needs, instead of the land serving our needs.
I just replied to him about this, but he's very strong-willed, about 61yo, and he's funding the land, so it really is up to him. But I urged him to reconsider the main purpose of an Autis community, and what is really needed - as expressed by most of the people on WP, at least, and what I agree with.

Anyhow, has their been any cross-talk between various forums/groups?
You seem to be very interested in this endeavor, and contributing a lot, and I'm thinking that the more people synchronized with the same endeavor, the more funding we have, the more ideas we have, the more opportunies that may be accessible to us, and the more momentum the project would have.

well, I did get a bit off-topic in a practical sense, but I've cited the 'why' Aspies can give, so that an understanding of 'what' is more promoted.

Feel free to discuss your disagreements; but the above statements don't really indicate why you disagree.

I'm back-and-forth between AFF and WrongPlanet, and I'm forgetting what I've written where; please have a little sympathy for my lack of organizational ...everything.

'What' a homeland could give is directly related to 'why' it is able to give. The 'why' determines the 'what', so I don't see any problem with discussing that. 'What' can be given is speculative without an understanding of 'why' we can give. I agree with the speculations I've read, but there's disagreement about what can be given. By providing a 'why' we can give, then 'what' we can give becomes more understandable - and therefore can be more agreed upon.

Hi PikaJedi,

Why do you wish to redirect my attention?

I am contributing. Are you disagreeing with my contribution and its placement?

I do appreciate your providing the links you did, and I'll have to examine them, but I get the sense that you think I'm off-topic here. There are practical matters and theoretical understandings; they go hand-in-hand, and assist each other. I would say that I have more to contribute on the theoretical side than the practival side; someone who has specialized knowledge is going to contribute better than I will in that specialized field.

Again, the discussion is of 'what' we can offer, and there is disagreement on this. By understanding 'why' we can offer, an understanding of 'what' we can offer can reach more consensus.

So, I offer a 'why' so that more people can agree on the 'what'.

The more synchronized we are, the more likely the project will become a reality, and the more it will be consciously understood and directed to reflect what is true. There's still a lot of disagreement about what is true about us, and the more we have a consensus about what we really are, the better.

In discussing, understanding, and agreeing about who and what we are, we can better understand what we can give.

Such, I find the post I made, discussing what we are that is therefore able to give, to be contributional and appropriate to this thread. It could also belong in other threads, or be its own topic. If there is an agreement on this site about what goes where, I do not know what that agreement is, but I will certainly try my best to be in accordance with it, as not to cause any disturance to whatever system exists here ... if I know what the organizational premises are.

I don't just 'want' to contribute ... I do contribute. Just because I may be newer here does not mean I am any less useful to the community endeavor, or less enthusiastic, or less intelligent, or less knowledgeable, or less a contributing force than anyone else.

Currently, I am asking if there is any co-operative effort between different sites, as I haven't seen anything on AFF or WP.net that mentions each other's efforts in this area; I seem to be the only one doing that - which is massively contributional in unifying what may well potentially be the most important project in the world ... ever.

If others disagree that this is actually - at least - one of the most potentially important projects in the world ... ever ... I will take the time and effort to discuss why; it's important enough for me to do that.

So, I don't just 'want' to contribute ... I am contributing, and have been. If a theoretical understanding of "what" we are is not desired by some individuals on this site, I can only state that a theoretical understanding is paramount to consensus and the realization of a 'homeland' project. Without that consensus, disagreements will continue, and everyone will be heading in different directions.

This project is as important and necessary as any I could imagine; it is too big for any one person, too difficult for the Autis community in whole to be split up about, and too important for there to be any conflict or lack of cooperation about.

AFF has many separate forums ... to many, I think; that it is too delineated that ideas which span those delineations have no real place ... like my post in question. Especially for someone newer to AFF, I cannot find where to post inter-relational topics ... and when I post something inter-relational in a topic, I'm re-directed to highly delineated topics - which are excellent to have, and I think it is a great stride to be that organized - but which also cannot hold an inter-relational topic.
But, on the other hand, WrongPlanet does not have enough separate forums, and important topics get lost in the flood of 'trivial' posts, subjective posts, and personal posts - all of which are valid, but mixed in with topics that need to stay focused on.

I just work and contribute my best of what I have to help this project fly.

I tend to contribute longer, more descriptive posts which tend to be contextual and inter-relational. I offer that aspect. Opinions and short posts are all over, and I don't see them as accomplishing too much, and often enough they can be counter-productive.

The whole subject being dealt with is vast. There are many unknowns which need to be discovered and agreed-upon. "What can we potentially give to the world?" calls directly the necessary question "What are we that we do even have what potential to give?" I go in and wrestle with all that, and it necessarily takes more contextual vantages, goes deep into theory, requires lengthier discourse, and needs a lot of dedicated and intelligent concentration. I do that because my mind is set up for that. I have a 190+ left-hemisphere IQ but only a right hemisphere IQ of 141, so I naturally think contextually. It's hard work, and I get a lot of guff for it ... but I'm still going to do it, because it simply has to be done. I don't necessarily expect everyone to follow along with a 190+ contextual, spatial-relations IQ, because I've found most can't. But I think there's a greater clarity of intelligence and honesty in AS than NT, so I do expect a much higher per-capita understanding and contribution of ideas.

This post becomes necessary to place my post in question in context as viable content; it just deals with a larger contextual matter for which the highly-defined forums are not the most-suited, and is posted in a site where, I guess from the responses, there is a higher degree of separation and concentration in topics.

There is a community going up this Autumn.

As I mentioned, it appears 100% likely that one square mile of land will be purchased aroung the Rio Grand/Big Bend area in Texas, USA for an AS community.  The funding is already there, and the individual/group funding will be commencing to build this Autumn.

I know I can get a bit caustic with my out-right out-spoken-ness, but I'm doing what I can to try and get this particular project in tune with serving the AS community, and not being a secondary experiment about land and adobes. It's very close, but just a little off because of the particular interests of the primary funder.

I don't know if he knows about the work being done here - or elsewhere.

I could use a little help in clarifying to the primary funder of this new community what the AS community is looking for (at least the agreement on WP.net) ... I'm not certain what the general idea is here about the purpose of an Aut community is.

There aren't that many voices speaking up about this, and most everyone is waiting for someone to do something or for something to 'happen'.

You voice, and others from here might be instrumental in helping to establish a real community that you've been working on ... this Autumn. It may not be in the UK, but if the community is created to be what it can be, and the potential of AS is actualized, then further funding would be available for more communities ... or a larger community ... or whatever is agreed upon by the AS community.

I, personally think that communities are needed in as many places as is possible initially to serve as much of the AS community as possible with a R/L places people can live and work, visit, recuperate, study, and so forth.

Realizing the first community is crucial.

There is a real community going up this Autumn. I have no doubt about this. The primary leader of this project has the drive, is a 'can-do' individual, is very most intelligent, and has the funding.

There IS a community ... right now. It's going up. It's happening.

It's happening on WrongPlanet.

There's also a funder who wants to donate proceeds on WrongPlanet, and I'm the only voice trying to get him to fund this project.

I need help!!!! this is real.

We need to work together to make this happen, and happen the right way.  Your voice is needed; everyone's is.

As it is, the community is going up more as an ecological experiment than a community to actualize AS potential. The funder is very individual and determined, he has extreme interest in adobe and desert reclamation, and has wrked with UN projects to educate on adobe building globally.

But, it may be possible that he may alter all or some of his plans; One square mile is a lot of land, and we may be able to use part of this resource and put up a larger community center on it, which does serve the AS potential.

But I'm going to have more success with the voices of others who are dedicated to this. He is pretty fixed, but he's also open to ideas. He'll likely make resources available if we can be self-sufficent there-after and not use up the resources of his particular project.

I don't know exactly what to expect, but I do know that if there's more voices than mine, he will be more likely to view it as a good thing ... and it is possible that he may decide on a different location because of this He had looked at New Orleans and at some dead towns in the SouthWest USA.

I've already been in major discussion and correspondence with him, but I just saw the ifferences in the fundemental purpose and nature of the communities being discussed.

I just posted about these differences and asked him to reconsider the purpose of the community.

The result may well be an historical turning-point if you could add your voices to mine.

The first AS community could very likely go up this Autumn. It's right here, right now.

Hi Agent,

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt63966.html

It's in the "Autism Politics, Activism, and Media Representation forum" in the topic entitled "Working together."

However, I did present some other possibilities to the individual, 'Inventor', who is forming the community, but he has a very unique world-perspective, and has no interest in doing much of anything except being 'unbothered'. His project is a very good one; I just see that it could be so much more.

I'm still going to pose some possibilities about allowing me to create a little bit of an HQ out of my space, which would be at the entrance to the community.

He's very firm in his viewpoints, which are all understandable. He is doing a good thing, but he isn't very supportive of an 'action-oriented' sect inside the community, as I think he sees it as something that will interfere with Aspies 'wanting isolation'.
He's creating the community for that purpose, really.

But, if I take responsibility to interface with the outside world wh
ere the community may not wish to - or he may not wish to -  and I take responsibility to not interfere with the peace and tranquility of the community, then I might be able to do that.

We are looking at one square mile of land - 640 acres, so I think there might be room for a larger structure that has a few other things going on.

If you read the whole thread (beware, he writes almost as much as I do!) you'll see hat he's looking at a gated community with a wall around it and with the doors from "King Kong" - and he jokingly - sort of - said I'd be located at the gate.

So, if you understand that he's making a tranquil oasis, and doesn't understand people, Aspies, or remeber people's faces, but does understand the land, things that can be measured, and such, then you might know - if you're going to post anything - how to avoid thinking too big, but perhaps using this as a launching pad.

He understands that I enjoy socializing; he does not enjoy socializing and views it as a waste of his energy. So I'm going to propose that I build a lodge-type of place for myself to live in (as we've already discussed that I need about 2,000sf minimum are, plus a high ceiling for lots of interior volume) and which many other thins can happen - such as I would have my prvate space in this large space, be a custodian of various comunity commons which might need looking after or scheduling, and that this could also serve as a work-center, and also as temporary living for individuals who are moving there but still haven't finished their own adobe yet.
So I'd be looking to build as large of a structure as possible, although I would'nt be able to build that much just on my own.

It is an interesting idea, as the cost is so very little that you can own your own home for about one year's rent - and you own it forever. there's a lot of room on the perimeter of a square mile (which is how he's setting it up).

So, I'd be looking to locate a structure right near the entrance, outside of the perimeter wall., with a passage to the inside of the community through the external structure, into an internal structure that would serve as a community commons area, with all sorts of cool things like a blender, a vaccuum cleaner,  some computers with Internet connections ... and maybe a place to tie up your pack-donkey.

All the building will be adobe, so I thought of digging down within he floorplan for the adobe bricks, and then building up, creating a voumous space in areas, and two different levels in others.

The community offer a lot of opportunity for problem-solving, which could be turned into fund-raising ventures by creating new products and methods. The funds could help establish a community in the
UK, on the East and West coasts of the USA, and in Canada - hopefully, to start. As we build more communities, geared towards a greater lifestyle and economic independence, we should be able to derive more funding in a snowball effect.

But this community does appear like it's really going up, so it's a chance to get the ball rolling.

Hey .. I actually wouldn't mind owning my own home I designed for mysef - even if it is in the desert