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As you said, she *is* only 5, I'm well aware I used to do a lot of make believe behaviours like that, and had some OCDish traits (mostly because I felt very insecure at that time), but they'll probably dissapear entirely before she reaches an age where it could pose a problem so she probably doesn't need to be actively pushed any direction. Shouting at her, especially into her ear certainly isn't the way to go.

If you wanted to give her some direction, then if you just let her know that twirling looks "a bit silly" in front of others as opposed to actively saying "no", then when she starts to actually care about her self image in the years to come she'll probably stop (Nobody wants to look "silly") or she'll just forget about it.

The compulsive behaviours are usually a lack of self security, which half the time are imagined anyway - but again, time and knowledge will probably see an end to it almost overnight at some point.

That's my thoughts, although I'm hardly one to ask ;p
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M Wrote:
What I can not understand is how these people think that the child is supposed to understand that the yelling "No" in their ear has anything to do with what they are doing.  If they said something quietly such as "please come and sit down here and do listen to the story", I might understand what to do.  

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After a while, the child might actually act like the rest if someone accidently explained what they were supposed to do.  They might even seem "normal" for the rest of childhood school years only to relapse or develop what seems as "mental health problems" or rebellion in pre-teen or teen years.  And then they will be not fitting in as adults.  This is why I do not think that treatments or therapies work at all.

I agree with this.

Children respond better to reason.  They learn by example.  So all you will achieve by yelling No! at your daughter is that it is (a) acceptable behaviour to yell when someone does something you dislike or disapprove of; and (b) randomly shouting without explaining what youīre shouting about will achieve the desired results - which it wonīt.

If you want to treat your child - effectively train it - like a dog, then yes, perhaps shouting is the way forward.  Thatīs whatīs known as the Pavlovian response.  Your child will respond not with reason, but with fear and instinct without knowing why.  

Yes, Iīm quite good at gaining and maintaining eye contact, but for me, thatīs a Pavlovian response Iīve learned, because as a child, if my father was talking he would yell:  īLook at me when Iīm talking to youī, and if I didnīt I would be beaten.  Yes, shouting and beating achieved the desired result, but at a substantial cost to my emotional and psychological development and wellbeing.

Iīve also, as Iīve grown older, learned to moderate my behaviours.  For example, I have OCD tendencies, my behaviours tend to creep up on me, and at some point Iīll īclickī that itīs becoming extreme and I can modify my own behaviour to make it more īacceptableī.

I believe the most appropriate way of dealing with this spinning issue is to reason not to yell.  If it is stress related at all, a comforting behaviour, then increasing her anxiety and stress levels by shouting and preventing her from spinning will only increase her desire to spin and comfort herself, and the more sheīll get yelled at to stop, the more sheīll need to do it... etc etc etc itīs a horrible downward spiral to get trapped in.

I believe itīs best to reassure her that itīs okay to spin, but there is an appropriate time and place to do such things, i.e. itīs okay in the playground, but not okay in the classroom, when itīs perhaps disrupting class and distracting other pupils.  Itīs best for the teacher to perhaps say:  I know you like spinning, and thatīs okay, but for the moment, we need to do some maths or reading exercises and if you just wait for 10 more minutes, when class goes outside for recess, then you can spin, okay?

Thatīs much more effective than yelling.

M Wrote:
After a while, the child might actually act like the rest if someone accidently explained what they were supposed to do.  They might even seem "normal" for the rest of childhood school years only to relapse or develop what seems as "mental health problems" or rebellion in pre-teen or teen years.  And then they will be not fitting in as adults.  This is why I do not think that treatments or therapies work at all.


This happened to me!

Marie Wrote:
Oh by the way, the people that I said always infer that I should pull my child from mainstream ed to avoid bullying are usually NT. For some reason, they act like this is the most horrible thing that could happen to a child... to not be popular.


How annoying an attitude to have to deal with. Not being popular is a non-issue, one or two friends is all I needed while growing up. Not being tolerated for being who you are is the most horrible thing that can happen to a child, and that feeling isn't limited to being caused by bullying. A teacher telling you that you should act more like the other kids in order to avoid being bullied will cause the same feeling of not being tolerated for being who you are.

I hope you can find a solution to education that's satisfactory to your child's needs, and wish you luck doing so.

Ugh!

I've restrained myself commenting into this thread until now.

That Catholic school teacher ... she is a symbol of all I despise and fight against in my life. My Dad was abused by Catholics so he tries to protect me from everything religious.

I am sorry your daughter has suffered.
I am well pleased.

So long as she is accepted she will be happy.
I go the "No!" treatment from my aide for years. Seriously. Everytime I would whip out my drawing notebooks to draw, she says into my ear, "No!" and may sometimes attempt to confiscate the notebook. It is very annoying and I think my left ear is getting irritated because of it. I get annoyed, then release my anger into the drawing, so saying No really accomplishes nothing and annoys the hell out of the Prime Subject.

Ahhh... I miss school life without an aide. It was much less annoying and more fun. D:<

Meiloyn Wrote:
I go the "No!" treatment from my aide for years. Seriously. Everytime I would whip out my drawing notebooks to draw, she says into my ear, "No!" and may sometimes attempt to confiscate the notebook. It is very annoying and I think my left ear is getting irritated because of it. I get annoyed, then release my anger into the drawing, so saying No really accomplishes nothing and annoys the hell out of the Prime Subject.


It's people like that, who make me want to treat them like a dog. Like every time they'd yell "NO!", I'd want to say, "BAD! BAD! You want to act like a wild animal, then I'll just have ot treat you like one."

violet_yoshi Wrote:
It's people like that, who make me want to treat them like a dog. Like every time they'd yell "NO!"


Which, as anyone with the tiniest bit of knowledge of how canines really behave already knows, is not the right way to get a dog to change behavior.  In fact, it's the wrong way to train any organism.

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