Aspies For Freedom

Clearly it's a sign of the apocalypse.  I'm pretty sure Citrus the orange lord has the scoop.

Notice how it's almost always (if not always) said that children are 'hit the hardest'? It's like the hook into anything said about Autism.

Ah yes, reminds me of another controversy. The "ex-gay" movement in the United States. A questionable organization known as Exodus is in the business of curing homosexuality through prayer, communal living, and behaviour mod through what is surely "clockwork orange" style aversion-therapy. Bah!

If God does indeed hate gays and lesbians, why does He create them? As with Aspieness, I believe the NT world mistakes personal discovery for personal choice. If homosexuality is a choice, it must be a very bad one made by many people around the world. Just as there is no signing up or registering to be gay / lesbian, Asperger's Syndrome truly is something God decides for you without prior consultation.

Yes, my stance is that our conditions are a fluctuation of biology. I would also contend that it is a roll-of-the-dice kind of thing. Although there is anecdotal evidence indicating autism in my family-tree, I still think I might have been an NT had my mother married someone else. Genetics, genetics. My unique DNA is the result of a key and a lock coming together through the meshing of ancestral code. Who can predict the birth of conjoined twins? Or an albino? Who could have known that George Walker Bush would have risen to power?

I really shouldn't join this conversation because I really don't understand it except on an anthropological basis...

I mean I know the patterns to this sort of behavior in NTs in general, and so-called Christians specifically (and I swam with the southern baptists and had a primitive baptist preacher grandpap).  

It is predictive and explainable and based in blindness and/or willful ignorance, and fear of God, people, death...oh pick a reason.  Fanatic.

But I get very confused because I have not had that sort of experience of the Creator at all, before and after I became a red-letter Christian.  I like the Creator.  Best Friend I've ever had; met him* in my crib around age 2.

(*"Him" being a heuristic of a multi-faceted, unexplainable, superior entity that apparently is the architect of my present universe containing therein all aspects of that universe within itself i.e. feminine, masculine, transgender, mystical, etherial, quantitative, unquantifiable, insert-dictionary, and a great deal smarter than me to boot, type definition)

Has made life bearable.  Has explained the unexplainable.  Has helped me when no human would, or has sent stranger humans to help me for a moment when no kin would.

I just don't get it.  I don't mean I dismiss anyone not feeling this way; I just have never been ignored or let down or have been afraid of, God, the universe, and everything.  

And the universe has always rather celebrated me more when I follow the path it sets in front of me--which includes the wonderful things I find amongst the specti--than try to steer myself somewhere else (I pray that you arrange things this way...blah blah vs thy will be done, now show me what and how to do it).

I hate that Christianity, like everything else, is judged on how people act versus what they, or "it", says.  Nearly everything a bible-thumping Christian does is contrary to the actual Bible but they just can't/won't see it.

I've been through a school of hard knocks, sure, but am forever appreciative of the lessons I've learned and the things I've gained and experienced in a whole cosmic sort of way.  I get tough love when I need it.  But I always get love and I haven't starved yet...

although I know the Creator will take care of me even if I have to starve to death first...

We should take things like this more personally. >=(

I for one am disgusted that people want ot change me, turn me into something I'm not, and I think it's high time we tell these prejudiced, uneducated, propoganda-spewing bigots to shut the hell up! Seriously, the very existance of organized groups like these tell me that they think I'm flawed, imperfect, a "blasphemy" in their eyes, to them inhuman, repugnant, and frightening.

To me, they seem to be a group of misinformed people trying to fix what isn't broken, and willing to go to near any ends to achieve their means. And they won't stop until there aren't any Aspies left.

How about foil?  I think those of us that are different from the norm-- whatever norm facet--are the exceptions that prove the rule and are therefore special--good old-fashioned mysteries of Gods grace in arranging for all mud to sit up (GB, Kurt), NOT "that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits" (Rom 11:25).  Bible-Thumpers are so terribly wise y'know...~very impolite snicker~

We are the foil to humanity, showing their follies and them showing ours...~wandering off into a theasaurical study of language play in theosophy~

Aside from all of the politicking - has anybody noticed that this lady mentioned that all of her beloved children and grandchildren were "normal"?

So here are my questions - Who gave this lady the right to comment anyway??? What's her authority? A church circular on Autism that upset her? And why is she praying for a cure for Autism? For the Autistics themselves or so that she can say that all is going to be right and neurotypical in the world that she wants her children and grandchildren growing up in?

Furthermore - I am a parent of an AS child who flaps and stims and comes up with all kinds of weird and wonderful ideas - and at no point has this kid ever "slipped away" from me - in fact most days it's like his brain is infused with nitro.

And also just as an aside re: "the gay thing" I pray and I believe in God but if one of my sons came to me tomorrow and told me that they were gay I wouldn't love them any less. People who abandon other people over trivial issues such as sexual preference need to get a life - fundamentalist and intollerant attitudes towards fellow human beings will wreck this planet faster than global warming ever will.

Intolerance is all some people can hold on to. They learnt from their parents, or from their church, their teachers, whoever, that the only way to live life is to conform.

Too many shallow people, and much of it from terrible and daft ideas, like making crying taboo for boys, sports mandatory, and whatever they teach girls that make them shallow like the guys.

She quite simply, I say, must be scared, disgusted, or filled with hate that we're so different from her. She can't predict exactly what we'll decide to do, what we want, our emotions, and so on. She can't fit us into a box, and put us on the shelf in her mind, all categorized as people.

I think they chose the puzzle piece symbol, to define us, for one of their groups because their minds couldn't grasp who we are. We're a puzzle to them, but they can't solve us, we're too different from their norm, so we're shown as unsolvable. But they just aren't trying to "solve" us properly.

Their vaunted normalacy is to be common and plain. No individuality or quirks there, oh no. Can't have that, now, can they? Triviality is their daily bread.

Good night!

I can't believe this guy! He's acting like we did something wrong. Well, excuse us for living! Honestly, this sickens me!

Propaganda might taste nice, but it's not very healthy to swallow uncritically.  The real truth is that pre-industrial religion, for all its oppressive flaws, was actually a much "bigger tent" for diverse ideas than we are often led to believe.

"Right wing religion" as we would recognize it was really an invention of the Protestant Reformation era (invented on both sides of the divide, almost simultaneously).  Improvements in communication technology and greater efficiency in political organization meant that levels of centralized control could reach hitherto-unknown heights.  It is no coincidence that totalitarian religiousity was essentially invented at the exact same time that the political theory of "Absolute Monarchy" was invented.

Before then, religious establishments, like monarchs, had far more power in theory than in fact, and circumstances usually forced them to recognize this.  However, they left behind a great deal of authoritarian hyperbole in their literature, claiming and rationalizing a great deal of power they never actually exercise.

If anything, industrialization is what made "right-wing religions" as we know them possible.

"Old asylums" were purely urban phenomena, and they were invented during the Industrial Revolution, when unusual behavior was seen as something to "cure" or at least "quarantine".  Pre-industrial societies had remarkable ability to locally accomodate unusual people, barring the occasional panic that might sweep through a region.

I'm of the opinion that we don't have any less racism or intolerance than in earlier days.  It's merely expressed differently.

oh no weve got to pray pray for ignorance to be cured!!! (hint of sarcasm?) what a load of **** damn evangelists

OH NO we've got to pray!!! pray for ignorance to be cured!!! (hint of sarcasm?)       damn evangelists

sorry thought my computer wasnt working could whover is the administrator delete extra posts thanks

haha that should up these PAN idiots lol

just an idea but why don't one of us join CAN DAN FAN or PAN's website and see what they can find and then use what they have found against these groups? i would volunteer