Aspies For Freedom

.....This would suprise me more if those guys didn't already think homosexuality was a mental disorder, and sexuality in general was against nature.(Kellogg. Have you read the stuff he's done?)

...I...I just.....Oh....I can't think at all right now.


Or rather, I can't hold myself together enough to think in words right now. All sorts of thoughts are going through my head, most of them quite violent.

Not to swerve too far off topic, but...

If ya think religion causes people to say really stupid things about auties (which apparantly, it does), you should hear what they say when a child dies. Damn. Seiously insensitive sensitivity.

He's in a better place now
It's all part of His plan
He's an angel with wings jumping from cloud to cloud

Bah!

You know, when somebody says to a parent whose child died "he or she is a little angel jumping from cloud to cloud", they should say "I want them here, even if they were naughty sometimes". I suppose they would then get the spiel about it all being "part of God's plan" and I don't know how you would counter that.

I don't like saying the word retarted much, but this is retarted. Didn't God make us like this in the first place? Oh well look on the bright side, curing anything with pray just means you feel like you're helping but in reality your doing nothing, which is better then drugs, therapy and the social stigma curbies bring on us.

Yes, God made us the way we are in the first place.  And I'm proud of who God made me.

I have to agree, I may not heavily practice my Christiananity but, still as a Christian, I am also offended by this.

Of course we the way we are because God made us Auties and Aspies so why go to such great pathetic lengths to find a cure?  ...I dont understand NT's when they get like this.  Can't they just accept us for who we are?

I think society is capable of treating us fairly, it's just that people keep thinking of it as a disorder or a disease that needs to be cured, instead of looking at it like I do, it's just a different way of perception.

Another pathetic religious cover-up if you ask me

I just want to say something.

I am not a really religious person, but, I am an extremely spirtual one (yes, there is a difference.)  I am most definitely a creationist, the more I study phyisics and the sciences the more creationsit I become.  Ironic isn't it?

I am also an Aspie, and an extremely aperceptive one.  I walk through a world awash in patterns and logical connections in everything around me.  To me, it is witnessing the hand of God at work.

I do not consider my Asperger's a disease, nor a defect in God's workmanship.  I consifder it a gift and the way in which I am meant to be, and I consider it to have a great purpose, not the least of which is the vision it bestows upon me.

Don't think just becuase some people who claim to believe in or represent God think our condition is a curse, a disorder, the devil's work; that all people who believe in a higher power or a supreme being see it that way.  We do not; many, many of us recognize neurodiversity for what it is; a part of the grand design and a blessing, although sometime in disguise.

So, then, are we to take it that atheism is official policy on these boards?

"God didn't intend for gays/ lesbians/ autistics to exist, and didn't create them, but that it was the result of the devil messing up god's perfect creation"

Thanks, Anna. Always nice to hear the latest simple-minded pseudo-theological idiocy from the  Hate-a-Fag-for-Jesus folks. Do alert us if they come up with anything else that loathsome.

And re: "I think the reasoning is that God didn't intend for gays/ lesbians/ autistics to exist"

Try to find a more accurate word than "reasoning." Reasoning is, by definition, a function of the brain.

Thoughts that you hate, even if they are wrong, still are reasoning, still occur through the brain.

Anna, you're correct.

Dogbrain, you're redundant.

Funny thing is, we have two local autism support groups and they both use a puzzle piece as part of their logo. I believe the thinking is that there are various pieces of the "puzzle" such as diet and environmental factors and brain "wiring".

Dog Brain, I'd like to know where you got your information from - because it's at complete variants to what I was taught and read up on. For example, in the time of Elizabeth I, do you know what sort of people made up the House of Lords? (There was no House of Commons then). Catholic and Protestant priests. In other words, the church made the law!

And we definitely have less intolerance. We have to in order to survive because the world is more accessible and cultures are mixed - particularly where I live in Australia. Less understanding led to more violence, and in the old days that meant anything new. Nowadays nothing is new so it's no excuse and the sensible of us know this and try. That way outnumbers those who understood in the old days.

And the panics you refer to were not unusual as you seem to be painting it. And the only reason the church may have been protective is because those people were being killed, and they hid them to protect them. However they were in the minority. But there were so many eventually they needed the help of the government. That ties in with the time of the industrial revolution as you said.

But the issue was - as you say - they took the view that they had to be cured. Living with their ailment was not an option. Nowadays it is. That's another key difference. Idiotic organisations like all these AN's are taking us back to those days - insisting that it's a disease to be cured, and not a disorder that has to be lived with, and should be supported as best as possible. Which is what we have been doing in more recent decades as tolerance increased.