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Gizensha Wrote:
I believe I'm capable of feeling intamacy, however I can't directly cite an example of me feeling it...

The emotion of jealousy is soemthing that seems truely alien to me... It's something I just can't comprehend. Why would I want something instead of someone else having that thing? (which is essentially what differentiates desire from jelousy. A wanting to have the car instead of your neighbour) It's even less logical when it comes to feelings towards other humans, since... Well... If you love someone, why wouldn't you want them to be happy even if it meant them being with someone else?


Well, i might be able to explain it this way, because i experience jealousy.   I am on a band at my church with my best friend.  I have been in this same band with her for 2 years now, and i love it.  Music is my thing, it's not an obsession, but it's something that i am able to do, and i can communicate to others through music much better than i could just talking to them.. anyways, sometimes it's like my life is in that band, and some days my friend is called up front to sing, and i am not invited, which is ok, but a big part of me is jealous... because i feel that when she is up there i should be up there too.  It's something i am working on and talking to her about, but anyway...  i want to be up there doing a solo, when she is up there doing a solo. i feel left behind when i'm not up there, although I understand many of the reasons for me not singing with her...  does that make sense? if not ask me questions and i'll try to respond.

And as for the intamicy, it's just a fancy way of being really close to someone, you can be socially intamite, physically, creatively, emotionally, there are many different aspects of intimacy... are we talking physical intamacy?

I look at it that envy is when you want something for yourself that someone else has, but don't mind them having it too, i.e., you like their car and would like to buy one for yourself. Jealousy is when you don't want them to have the thing you want for yourself.
Got sidetracked here. I am new on this sight, I have very strong feelings that my partner has as. We are having a really bad time at the moment, mainly to do with things he does I see as rude and hurtful. We don't lack love, but we lack affection, (which is why I was drawn into the thread about intimacy). I know several people including one family member with AS, and have felt for a long time that this could be an issue with our relationship. I work in learning disability services, and didn't want to fall into the trap of seeing syndromes everywhere, so discounted this. Several things have happened recently which have made me think I need advice on relationships between as and nt people. Am I on the right site, in the right forum to get advice and guidance?
For me intimacy = absolute honesty and openness

That means the ability to be open and honest around a person and them around you
It means not being afraid to show weakness to each other.
It means having the desire to be mutual.

Intimacy is the marriage of true minds... Sonnet 116 by Shakespeare
They make cerebral palsy sound like some unforgivable sin, like you can't get into heaven.... Sheesh, just because the Brain can not send its message to the Muscles so well?

That's all it is.  Brain's OK.  Heart's OK.  Speaking might be tough but we humans in our brillance have created devices for that.  [Aside: in a disability-related singles group I am a member of, some with CP will not use speech synthesis.  It's nice to rely on oneself but it makes it harder for me to interact with them.  If I had a machine to handle nonverbal communication I'd take out a mortgage for it.]

[I am a man who uses one machine to breathe properly while sleeping, and therefore sleep normally, that is, with uninterrupted air flow, OSA]

What those people said... it is kind of what they'd say if the woman was very heavy...

Perhaps we with AS better understand (greater percentage-wise) what parts of a human being matter and what parts don't.

I'd be most attracted to her intelligence, and of course, heart and personality (we can imagine intelligent villians, can't we)?  Not long ago I very carefully considered one woman whom I know to have bipolar disorder.  I was willing to conveniently overlook her size and perhaps the bipolar, provided there was a hungry mind, but I found none.  

In any case, in practice, her income does matter too, especially if he cannot work for a while or if he dies.  Or he will worry about his mortality and if he isn't secure, how can she be?  I know guys who earn all or almost all the money in a family with or without kids.  Nice to see know one mortal man earning what, maybe $110,000 a year?  (Three kids, college isn't a century away you know).  

It is excessive responsibility to know that one is the only one for a specific necessity, such as income.  Aircraft with two engines are better than aircraft with one.  If one is damaged, fly on the other, like Iceman did in Top Gun.  

It is not enough simply to have a job, because people don't live by "bread" alone.  Did not Freud suggest both work and love as basic to human nature?

It is not to say that we can legislate one like we do the other, we can't.  If we tried to legislate equal opportunity for love we would become a nightmare society.  We have to let a significant percentage of loves be founded on prejudice for the sake of the loves that are made correctly.  In the short run this means we are the excluded based on prejudice until we can achieve right relationships for the right reasons.  

But many people think they can make decisions for the employment of others.  Read Interpersonal Chemistry on Wikipedia with respect to workplace applications: namely, a sense of trust in hiring decisions.  I would suggest that there is a very fine line, if any, between trust and prejudice.

Prejudice not only denies opportunity but creates opportunity for evil.  You can define the number of embezzlers as an index for the error rate in human interpersonal evaluations of character.

I definitely think I am borderline, I have feelings and I can share them with a woman, perhaps one either NT or AS.  Even the borderline is damaging enough, though, if it erodes the so-called interpersonal chemistry (imperfect assessment of value) in significant relationships.
Certainly I can say that it had me going around in circles for several years for the purpose of employment.

About cureism: I think the point is moot, we cannot change human neurology without killing the person.  Whatever advantages we bring to humanity (detail orientedness, relative immunity to prejudice, memory, perhaps relative resistance to psychological biases such as 'it can't happen to me') are not without cost (peer abuse, including sexual; delays in employment and significant relationships; even feeling like a different species if indeed neurological compatibility guides our choices of relationships).  Humanity can only change one person at a time.  We may be fortunate to find some islands of tolerance, such as where I am working, but perhaps not along other dimensions of personhood.  

In practice I think a hefty percentage of us would rather reduce the cost even if it means eliminating our diversity, identity, and our gifts.

Surely, life with AS is not fun.  

The biggest rebuttal to cureism may be, God made it that way.  And when we get There, we can take it up with Him, although we Christians believe that we'll all be in terror, even us saved will have a hefty respect for God, even without the fear of eternity.

A little something to think about when some NTs have their attitudes about AS/HFA, when the occasional movie about the forty-something virgin comes out, when you see the occasional bumper sticker "Men are like parking spaces, the good ones are taken and the rest are handicapped", yes I did complain about that sticker.

And the abuse directed at children who are different?  Don't get God angry, you wouldn't like Him when He's angry.  


M Wrote:
Initmacy is about sharing, about sharing your life and experiences.

I have a friend with cerebral palsy who would like to have a boyfriend, get married.  People just do not expect her to get married or even have a boyfriend like they think she has no right to unless he had some similar disability.  At college, there was this couple.  The woman had a motorized wheelchair and short legs.  She had a boyfriend who was "normal".  He used to ride around on the back of her chair.  They were always together.  They ended up getting married.  Alot people just thought he was crazy ...

It is like anyone who is different or disabled, normals seem to think that we should have no desires for our lives expect maybe to receive a pension or some token job.  Having any other life goals or wanting to have marriage and children is just like obscene to them.

ahumanbeing Wrote:
Do you think femininity is culturally constructed at all?  Partially?  Or not at all?


Well.... I am a Master's in sociology, even before I was a Web developer....  I'd say mostly culturally constructed, with some biological predisposition.

I agree with Emile Durkheim that society is an external force that controls and constrains human behavior and replicates itself person by person.  I'd be more willing however to say that society is the problem for people who do not "fit in".  

Durkheim had much to say about the negative reaction the majority give (with the society virus in their minds) against the minority who do not act like the majority.  I disagree with Durkheim and regard this as pathological.  We've had too many violent outbursts because oppression is wrong.  Oppression is not just society's self-defense mechanism against deviance.  It is a weapon of some people against others, and sometimes the others fight back with other weapons.

It only demonstrates to me that society has to change, whether it is the guy with a gun and a grudge, the Stone Age guys with sticks and stones, or nuclear proliferation.  Before we see the first ever nuclear car bomb, this planet has to end oppression.  Or maybe we can't, and that's when Jesus comes back to rule, and the saved go one way, and the others another.

Intimacy is a feeling of comfort and knowing trust that permeates your whole relationship with the person you're with. It's not just a thing that takes place in the bedroom - intimacy is brain sex - it's talking in short hand, knowing when the other person needs comfort or space. It's loving someone without having to say it all the time - it just is.
Also, I think it would be true to say that intimacy takes time to establish.
For me, intimacy is being in the same room as my boyfriend, even if we are sat in silence and not interacting with each other.
The time I feel it most is when I'm tucked up in bed next to him when he's asleep and I can feel the heat from his body (I'm not talking about anything sexual here).

I suppose intimacy is the sensation of being emotionally and physically close to someone who you really care about and trust.
Your starting quote: "A feeling of being intimate and belonging together" .

Hah! right here on AFF and WP, chatting with a feeling of: "belonging together".  Well... most of the time...

Perhaps the crux. Feeling safe to be intimate about what is troubling oneself, or just sharing something that in other "circles" might be considered daft;   "Can those with "it" feel safe here chatting about this stuff", Yes!, hence "intimate", and perhaps in other cirlcles when it is safe...  one can be intimate...

The "x" rated side of initmacy will need to be shared elsewhere...

Or is it safe here?   a Rhetorical... Hah!

Respectfully, Beammeup
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