Aspies For Freedom

Found this on a site-

"The utter failure to submit oneself to reality is called autism, coming from the Greek root 'auto' meaning 'self'. The person who is autistic is oblivious to certain essential dimensions of reality. Such people literally live in a world of their own in which the self reigns supreme. In their mind there may be some connection between themselves and others but that connection has no bearing on reality. They may say they love everyone, spreading gifts and gentle kindness wherever they walk, but this may exclude the reality as to what they are actually doing and be made up of rules that they themselves make up and have no relationship to the rules e.g. their employer.

Autism is narcissism in its ultimate form. For the complete narcissist, others have no more psychological reality than a piece of furniture; narcissists only have what Martin Buber calls 'I-I' relationships. While these people may truly believe they love others, the love is all in their head and does not exist as any objective reality."

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/palette...ion10.html

From: http://victorian.fortunecity.com/palette...sophy.html
'The Structure and Philosophy of the Temple

However, what we can offer is to act as guides, and to teach discernment to enable you to traverse this passage without too many trip ups from the fools who believe the nonsense they sprout with no regard for factual evidence, or the liars who know what they say is wrong but are out to make money or gain power. '

They are kidding right?  :lol:

Not very spiritual of the at all really

It's not as bad as Autistics being possessed by demons .

It's odd how extreme religious types seem to go for the more vulnerable among society when it comes to tackling demons and the like. If their faith was as strong and their God is as mighty as they like to make out you'd think they'd be out trying to save the planet from itself, not picking on stimming kids :/

Classic bullying behavior.

Talk about being unrealistic! What's the IQ of the author do you think? Surely even a child could spot the contradiction in phrases like the following:

Is it they're promoting the idea that "love" is a manifestation of some god or other? The "god of the willfully imbecilic", presumably...

I think the author may suffer from BS syndrome....

Ah yes, the dreaded BS Syndrome. Is there anything we can do to help? Poison his village water supply? Eat his children? Knock some common sense into him?

Whatever he has is incurable.  Find out what city he was born in, and call them to take their idiot back.

What really gets me is this:

That sounds like me, I show my love for people by giving gifts (rather than by hugging and kissing, yuck). So, these people say that I don't know what I am doing and don't really love, because I might not understand some NT rules? They must be kidding!

Uschi

Who gave this person a right to talk about 'objective' and 'reality' as if he was on intimate terms with these most slippery of philosophical concepts?

In any case I do not think (when interpreted in a certain manner) his comments need be all that offensive. After giving the matter careful consideration I do not think I can say, with complete honesty, that my understanding of love (or any other emotion) does not exist outside of my own mental conceptions of the world.

As I see it, in order to understand how another is thinking and feeling I must first compare my perceptions of that person's mental state (interpreted via his facial expressions and body language... difficult I know!), with any memories I may have of what it felt like for *me* to be in a simliar situation to the one I *believe* this person is currently experiencing.

In short I am not advocating solipsicism, but simply admitting the incredible difficulty inherent in trying to interpret *accurately* another person's "mental states", or saying for 100% certainty that other people can have emotions, feelings  and autonomy (that is crudely put a 'mind') that is not understood purley in terms of a projection or inference from my own past experiences.

So I have problems understanding the concept of other minds (whether that is due Autism or too much philosophising is niether here nor there in the present case). Does that fact alone make me 'evil' or somehow defective? I try to treat others how I would like to be treated in turn (perhaps the only thing I am willing to salvage from Christianity), or if in doubt ASK! :wink:

I don't see how the guy who  was quoted above can assign so much importance to his own world view, with no justification.

"I shall have my ways and you shall have yours, the way does not exist!" (or something like that!)

In case y'all haven't noticed, that site is from some type of cult. They probably sacrifice autistic children to their satanic gods. Let's bombard those fools with diss-tacular email!

In case y'all haven't noticed, that site is from some type of cult. They probably sacrifice autistic children to their satanic gods. Let's bombard those fools with diss-tacular email!

Perhaps we could email the group and ask them to change the wording and provide them with a little information about autism instead?

And in case you hadn't noticed the group practice Aboriginal Lore mixed with Paganism and Wiccan. They are closer to hippies than they are to baby killers. I find it odd that you would say something like that given that you have Wiccan friends. Did you even read any of the site?

Have you read the topic on aspies, philosophy and ai?

These people are more likely to light pretty multi-coloured candles and pray to diana then they are to sacrifice anyone. (pagans/wiccans sometimes make me laugh, no offence KB)

Leemie have some fun with this.....

What kind of reality are you talking about, human reality? a socio-collective delusion and strata of fairy tales that often defies nature itself?

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Care to spefify?  Examples?  References?  Define "essential dimensions."  Should I not be allowed to know because I'm not "intuitive" enough?

That could also be said about 80% of the American population.  What's your point.

Which reality?  Is there really some all encompasing generic "reality" out there?

Doesn't this also describe the clinical sociopath, which comprises nearly 100% of the cult leaders in the world?  At least most Autistics don't treat other people like puppets.  

Wait, I think I know this guy, and if per chance it is the same guy, he's a closet autistic.  

The definition and negation of autistics would apply to any religious order (that included medical religions, ideoligical and so on).  Simply put, autistics don't make good sheep.