12-08-2005, 05:19 PM
Caged kids' custody debated; witness calls structures weird, not abusive at home
By STEVE MURPHY
Toledo Blade
Wednesday 7th December 2005
NORWALK, Ohio - A Toledo-area man listed as the person who reported a Huron County couple for keeping some of their adopted special-needs children in cages testified yesterday that he initiated no such complaint and thought the structures were "weird" but not abusive.
Edward Clunk, an insurance agent from Sylvania, said he saw a child in "a little cubbyhole type of thing" and another youngster in a "cage-type thing" during a 2004 sales visit to the home of Michael and Sharen Gravelle near Wakeman, Ohio.
Testifying during a custody hearing for 11 children who were removed from the home three months ago, Mr. Clunk said he had no reservations about approving life insurance for the couple, plus accidental insurance policies on the eight children who then lived there.
"I didn't see any abuse in that house," he said.
After the hearing, which is scheduled to continue today through Friday in Huron County Juvenile Court, Judge Timothy Cardwell will decide whether authorities have proved allegations that the children were abused and neglected and whether to return the youngsters to the Gravelles.
The children suffer from such disorders as fetal alcohol syndrome, autism, and pica, a compulsion to eat things not normally consumed as food.
Mr. Clunk's visit was relayed to Huron County Job and Family Services on Aug. 3 by a confidential informant whose relative had spoken to Mr. Clunk about conditions inside the Gravelle home, agency investigator Jo Johnson testified.
Mr. Clunk said he saw no reason to notify authorities after his visit to the Gravelle home. He testified that he told only two people about what he saw there.
One was his fiancee; the other was a neighbor of the Gravelles who asked him about the home during a sales visit several months later, Mr. Clunk testified.
He said he became involved in the investigation in mid-August when county investigators began calling him on his cell phone with questions about the Gravelles and their home.
Questioned by Kenneth Myers, an attorney for the Gravelles, Mr. Clunk disputed a Job and Family Services intake form that listed him as the person who reported the cages to the agency.
"No, I never called anyone. I never made any such complaint," he said.
When Mr. Myers read from the report and asked Mr. Clunk if it accurately reflected what he told authorities.
"A lot of that is fictitious," Mr. Clunk replied. "I didn't say a lot of those things that were in there."
Ms. Johnson, who testified for three hours, acknowledged that her agency received a report in 2003 that the Gravelles were keeping some of their adopted special-needs children in cages.
But she testified yesterday that the Huron County Department of Job and Family Services could not substantiate the allegation against the Gravelles because the couple would not cooperate.
"We knew of an allegation, but we did not know about the beds," the investigator said.
Ms. Johnson said two of her colleagues visited the Gravelle home in 2003, but were not allowed to see the children's bedrooms upstairs.
She added that a full investigation was not done after the visit in 2003.
The agency received another complaint about the children's sleeping arrangements in August, 2005, and Ms. Johnson visited the Gravelle home on Sept. 9.
The couple allowed her to go upstairs, where she said she saw eight wood-and-wire cages, including one with a child inside.
Less than four hours later, Ms. Johnson returned to the home with sheriff's deputies who had a search warrant.
They removed the 11 children, ages 1 to 14, who have since been placed in foster homes.
Ms. Johnson and Lt. Randy Sommers, of the Huron County Sheriff's Office, who also testified, said the upstairs of the house smelled strongly of urine, and that the children had little bedding apart from some mats and blankets.
Under questioning from Mr. Myers, Ms. Johnson defended the agency's investigation and the decision to remove the children.
"I could not see me walking in, seeing the kids living in those conditions ... yes, absolutely, they needed to come out," she testified.
"The issue is, those children were being abused," she testified.
The Gravelles sat quietly during the testimony, watching the witnesses intently but betraying little emotion.
During sometimes-contentious exchanges with Ms. Johnson, Mr. Myers accused her and other county investigators of exaggerating the case against his clients.
Ms. Johnson acknowledged that a sheriff's office report listed the house as having nine cages for the children, but said that number mistakenly included a metal pet cage found on the first floor near the stairs.
Mr. Myers objected to Ms. Johnson's statement in a report that some of the cages were too small for the children to stretch out in, arguing that she checked only the enclosure used by one of the couple's school-aged boys.
"You put 'some of the children,' ... you exaggerated this, didn't you?" he asked her.
"I'm not going to say that, sir," Ms. Johnson replied.
"You don't have to," Mr. Myers shot back.
Ms. Johnson said she believes the Gravelles love the children, but intentionally harmed them by confining them.
She also said the couple have told the county they won't remove the cages and have otherwise impeded the agency's efforts to work toward reuniting the children.
"I've never seen a case this hostile in my entire life," Ms. Johnson said.
Contact Steve Murphy at:
smurphy@theblade.com
or 419-724-6078.
Source: Toledo Blade
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...433/0/NEWS
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By STEVE MURPHY
Toledo Blade
Wednesday 7th December 2005
NORWALK, Ohio - A Toledo-area man listed as the person who reported a Huron County couple for keeping some of their adopted special-needs children in cages testified yesterday that he initiated no such complaint and thought the structures were "weird" but not abusive.
Edward Clunk, an insurance agent from Sylvania, said he saw a child in "a little cubbyhole type of thing" and another youngster in a "cage-type thing" during a 2004 sales visit to the home of Michael and Sharen Gravelle near Wakeman, Ohio.
Testifying during a custody hearing for 11 children who were removed from the home three months ago, Mr. Clunk said he had no reservations about approving life insurance for the couple, plus accidental insurance policies on the eight children who then lived there.
"I didn't see any abuse in that house," he said.
After the hearing, which is scheduled to continue today through Friday in Huron County Juvenile Court, Judge Timothy Cardwell will decide whether authorities have proved allegations that the children were abused and neglected and whether to return the youngsters to the Gravelles.
The children suffer from such disorders as fetal alcohol syndrome, autism, and pica, a compulsion to eat things not normally consumed as food.
Mr. Clunk's visit was relayed to Huron County Job and Family Services on Aug. 3 by a confidential informant whose relative had spoken to Mr. Clunk about conditions inside the Gravelle home, agency investigator Jo Johnson testified.
Mr. Clunk said he saw no reason to notify authorities after his visit to the Gravelle home. He testified that he told only two people about what he saw there.
One was his fiancee; the other was a neighbor of the Gravelles who asked him about the home during a sales visit several months later, Mr. Clunk testified.
He said he became involved in the investigation in mid-August when county investigators began calling him on his cell phone with questions about the Gravelles and their home.
Questioned by Kenneth Myers, an attorney for the Gravelles, Mr. Clunk disputed a Job and Family Services intake form that listed him as the person who reported the cages to the agency.
"No, I never called anyone. I never made any such complaint," he said.
When Mr. Myers read from the report and asked Mr. Clunk if it accurately reflected what he told authorities.
"A lot of that is fictitious," Mr. Clunk replied. "I didn't say a lot of those things that were in there."
Ms. Johnson, who testified for three hours, acknowledged that her agency received a report in 2003 that the Gravelles were keeping some of their adopted special-needs children in cages.
But she testified yesterday that the Huron County Department of Job and Family Services could not substantiate the allegation against the Gravelles because the couple would not cooperate.
"We knew of an allegation, but we did not know about the beds," the investigator said.
Ms. Johnson said two of her colleagues visited the Gravelle home in 2003, but were not allowed to see the children's bedrooms upstairs.
She added that a full investigation was not done after the visit in 2003.
The agency received another complaint about the children's sleeping arrangements in August, 2005, and Ms. Johnson visited the Gravelle home on Sept. 9.
The couple allowed her to go upstairs, where she said she saw eight wood-and-wire cages, including one with a child inside.
Less than four hours later, Ms. Johnson returned to the home with sheriff's deputies who had a search warrant.
They removed the 11 children, ages 1 to 14, who have since been placed in foster homes.
Ms. Johnson and Lt. Randy Sommers, of the Huron County Sheriff's Office, who also testified, said the upstairs of the house smelled strongly of urine, and that the children had little bedding apart from some mats and blankets.
Under questioning from Mr. Myers, Ms. Johnson defended the agency's investigation and the decision to remove the children.
"I could not see me walking in, seeing the kids living in those conditions ... yes, absolutely, they needed to come out," she testified.
"The issue is, those children were being abused," she testified.
The Gravelles sat quietly during the testimony, watching the witnesses intently but betraying little emotion.
During sometimes-contentious exchanges with Ms. Johnson, Mr. Myers accused her and other county investigators of exaggerating the case against his clients.
Ms. Johnson acknowledged that a sheriff's office report listed the house as having nine cages for the children, but said that number mistakenly included a metal pet cage found on the first floor near the stairs.
Mr. Myers objected to Ms. Johnson's statement in a report that some of the cages were too small for the children to stretch out in, arguing that she checked only the enclosure used by one of the couple's school-aged boys.
"You put 'some of the children,' ... you exaggerated this, didn't you?" he asked her.
"I'm not going to say that, sir," Ms. Johnson replied.
"You don't have to," Mr. Myers shot back.
Ms. Johnson said she believes the Gravelles love the children, but intentionally harmed them by confining them.
She also said the couple have told the county they won't remove the cages and have otherwise impeded the agency's efforts to work toward reuniting the children.
"I've never seen a case this hostile in my entire life," Ms. Johnson said.
Contact Steve Murphy at:
smurphy@theblade.com
or 419-724-6078.
Source: Toledo Blade
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll...433/0/NEWS
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