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1) No, they are not. They are making up sheer lies and trying to promote it as fact. Mostly as a continuation of Hubbard's vendetta against psychiatry. Which stems from the fact that the psychiatric profession has shown their therapy system to be bogus and unworkable. Ironically, Hubbard was found to have a very strong psych drug in his system when he died. There are lies, damned rotten lies, and whatever comes out of a Scientologist's mouth.

2) Nobody is going to watch something posted by you, flat and simple. You have alienated every living thing on the board.
That is an understatement, Lazarus. He speaks to me in a manner, well, let's put it this way. Teachers have been scared to speak to me at all, leave alone like that, since I was twelve years old. From the time I was twelve to the time I was seventeen, I endured constant abuse from professional psychologists/psychiatrists that at two points almost led to my death and at others could have led to my permanent impotence. I would still fight to the death to protect them from guys like this simply because they follow a vaguely scientific method.

And if that is honestly your idea of a personal attack, you ought to watch me respond to normies acting like they are owed any sympathy by me in person.

Oh, and let's be frank. He is acting like a crybaby who thinks that bawling is going to get him out from under the weight of evidence. All I posted to get that arrogant little diatribe from him (which is basically guilty of everything it accuses me of) was that the Scientology cult is a load of crap that threatens our rights, and that the motives of people posting it in a forum for those who have a neurological diversity that is currently more of a curse are suspect.
A world run in Scientology's image is a world without...

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Help for the Mentally Distressed

Mentally distressed people will have nowhere to turn. Their human rights will terminate on Scientology's ascension to power.

As mentioned earlier, Hubbard said in "Science of Survival" that people below 2.0 on his Emotional Tone Scale should be put away quietly, with no sorrow.

Help for the Physically Distressed

There will be no hospitals or medical personnel given Hubbard's disparagement of "medicos" and Scientology's viewpoint that all illness in greater or lesser extent stems for PTSness (described below).

Medical Standards

Scientology maintains that illness comes in greater or lesser extent from being under the influence of an suppressive person. The condition is called PTSness, which stands for Potential Trouble Source. So all illness is lumped into one indistinguishable category: PTSness.

Scientology subscribes to the non-germ theory of illness, but as yet has not revealed how it is that vaccinations have eradicated many horrible diseases such as polio, small pox, typhoid and whooping cough. Even Gene Denk, M.D., an OT 8 medical doctor, questioned Scientology's germ theory to this author by asking how vaccinations work if there is not such thing as germs. Does everyone in the world just suddenly become PTS at the same time? No. Expect to see pandemics of curable diseases come back.

Further, Scientology promotes Dianetics as a panacea. For example, on the subject of birthing, it advocates home births in conjunction with Dianetic techniques. It elevates its system of so-called preventative mental therapy above the physical well-being of its adherents.

This author's son is a casualty of this approach. Because of the Dianetic influence, he was intentionally allowed to be born at home by a chiropractic midwife and an OB/GYN physician. These medical personnel knew well in advance of birth my son's breech position and in contravention of medical laws and known medical practice which prohibit breech babies being born at home, they allowed it to occur.

As a result of two full days of false labor prior to a full day of true labor, he suffered severe brain trauma because the umbilical cord was wrapped around his neck three times. This caused severe oxygen deprivation. If he had been delivered by caesarian section at the onset of the first day of labor, he would have been spared a life of hell.

Instead, thanks to the Dianetics approach, he spent the first weeks of his life at Children's Hospital on intravenous feedings and Phenobarbital, a barbiturate used as a sedative, a hypnotic, and an anticonvulsant, a drug that has been linked to lower IQ and drug addictions.

Further, "complications during birth, long labor, a breech position ... are associated with an increased risk of violent suicide for adult men."

Therefore, instead of having a mentally healthy baby, we were given the nightmare of a physically damaged baby with significant mental and behavioral problems. When the health and safety of the patient takes a back seat to philosophical ideas there is always disaster.

A second example is cancer, a common illness among upper level Scientologists. They are advised to buy "auditing" as a cure. To my knowledge, this has not resulted in any cures but, instead, these people have been prevented from seeking competent medical advice. In fact, there is some conjecture that the Scientology e- meter may have instigate cancer.

These people may have enjoyed longer lives, and even gone into remission, if they had been encouraged to seek competent medical help.

This author was told by a Scientology registrar that a broken wrist would heal in one month (instead of three months) if I bought 25 hours of auditing. The registrar used the logic that returning to work sooner would justify the expense. My wrist healed in three months, just like the doctor said, despite the 25 hours of auditing. This kind of "practicing medicine" is common in Scientology.

From my experience, it appears that Scientology would let you die rather than call 911 and possibly become embroiled in controversy.

While on staff, this author had an ovarian cyst that torsioned and nearly died because no staff member was willing to leave their post to take me to the hospital. This was due to the fear of getting into trouble for leaving post without permission. However, to get permission was not an easy matter. The old saying "it is easier to get forgiveness than permission" does not work in Scientology. Forgiveness is as hard to obtain as permission. By the time treatment was received, the cyst was on the verge of rupture.

With Scientology at the helm, expect to see an escalation of preventable diseases and deaths. Because universities will no longer exist, doctors will no longer be trained.

Your health will be in the hands of a hastily trained ethics officer who will tell you that your cigarette smoke allergy can be cured by taking up smoking; the electrical sensations in your neck and back aren't Lhermitte's Sign (an indication of a neurological problem), rather, it is the result of a "Marcabian implant"; the panic attacks you suffer aren't an allergy to Nutrasweet, rather it is the nervous hysteria that results from going past misunderstood words, a no-no in the world of Hubbardian education; fatigue comes from "failed purposes" instead of a failing thyroid; cancer can be cured with auditing; and other health problems are the result of your being under the influence of a suppressive person and the only needed treatment is "handling" for the PTS condition. (This author was "diagnosed" with all of these--except cancer.)

Others have had similar worries of what would happen if Scientology achieved its goal. Recommended reading is Imagine the New Scientology World Order, and another is Ken Rose's A Scientology World.

Emphasis added by me. Source: http://www.xenu.net/archive/world_without/

Now try and reconcile this with the claims that the Scientology cult gives a hoot about our rights, people. The only reason psychologists are able to research our divergences and help us cope with a normie-centric world is because people like the author of this document help keep the Scientology empire in check. Is the message that passivity is a bad idea getting through yet?

Accept people like this man as one of us, and the next thing you know, we will all be in chains with numbers burned into our foreheads, to quote one of my favourite fictionalisations of the subject.

Wolfy, first of all, great tagline, although the NT part is funnier when you point out to people that NT 4 contained bits and pieces bought from Xerox or the makers of VMS that they held over from the 1970s. Wink

And I have made no attempt to deny the fact that psychiatry is about as accurate as a can of paint and a trebuchet. But you have to also consider what they are working with. They are administered by a system that discourages or flat-out suppresses new ideas, theories, or approaches, for starters. Just like us, they are often reduced to wandering around in the dark without a flashlight. And the joke of it is that in spite of how theoretical it all is, they can face massive liabilities if they put a foot wrong.

But as I have pointed out now, we have no credible reason to believe that a mental health system run by Scientologists would be any better. As a matter of fact, we have a lot of good reasons to believe such a system would be much, much worse. Suffering bipolar disorder (which, by the way, the psychiatric profession has done wonders with)? Off you go out the back to be shot. That's the length and breadth of the Scientology approach. Andrew Denton showed this best when he interviewed Kate Cebrano and got into a conversation with her about their utterly unprovable theories before interviewing a schizophrenic and his mother, primarily about why he was missing a leg. Turns out he decided one day he did not need his meds, a change that led to him lying on the train tracks, so the missing leg is a case of getting off easy. Cebrano was reportedly spitting chips and talking to the higher-ups about suing Denton, but the Australian government thankfully reminded them that a) proving libel from that episode of Denton's show would be like pushing bull droppings up a hill with a straw and b) Australians take a dim view of their courts being used to supress commentary, especially from a commentator as loved as Denton.

So I ask again, is this a person/cult we want to trust with our ability to negotiate with normalist society?
I gladly invite you to come and have a look at my life as it is now and see where passivity has got me.
Yeah, but that is just the thing. If every Aspie in the world banded together and fought the war it is going to take to get the normies to stop treating us like something on the bottom of their shoe, we could change the world. Instead, I have to sit here and listen to how we should beg for them to accept us. No sale.

There is only one person in this thread who has acted aggressively, and it is not me.

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So if you don't want to reply to my posts, then that's your basic human rights, but please then don't start being abusive to me, because I don't play them sort of childish agrressive games. I have not got the time and energy to argue with you or anyones else on AFF. So as I said let it be and please don't respond to any of my posts and I'll show you the same respect and do the same.
'END OF MATTER'!!

Does this look familiar? Were this conversation taking place in person, talking to me like a child and screaming "end of matter" in my face would get severe reprisals. Instead, I have pointed out time and time again how offensive telling us the scientology cult's writings should be taken seriously is, and more importantly why. Considering this clown is not even grown up enough to realise that you earn respect, not demand it, you are against me if you are with him.

Well Amy, I wish I could say that I was the only one. In fact, I would give my eyes to be able to say I was the only one who felt this way about normies, Scientologists, or so forth. But the sad fact is that I am not. Sometimes it comforts me to say that I am not, because if I could round up ten thousand strong men who have the same contempt for the society that made us, then the troubles of every Aspie would be over very quickly.

I like to think along the lines of the input-output rule of computing. Put simply, the rule states that what you put into a person and their mind is a fair reflection of what you get out of them. If people kept that in mind all the time, I would probably have a much more pleasant life.
I wish I could say so in a less abstract sense. :cry:
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