I alluded to this earlier in another thread when trying to describe certain aspects of my situation. Basically, I will describe a little bit about my history here before posing a question.
My first girlfriend had Dissocative Identity Disorder/some form of Schizophrenia/take your pick (Australians love to play Musical Diagnosis). She was the first woman in my life I could hear the word "love" from and not expect to be physically assaulted. Go figure. She never used any kind of drugs, legal or otherwise, but was constantly "spaced out".
My one normie girlfriend was obnoxious and loud. It got to the point where even the sex was not worth listening to the constant whining. The feeling I had of needing some distance, even in the midst of some of the most intimate moments, did not go over well at all. Being miserable about it and wanting to just completely shut off altogether only got them to annoy me more.
To cut a long story short, I have wondered if somehow, an Aspie can more easily relate to the mentally ill/drugged out of their gourd. Is there a common ground, other than being looked down upon by the normie world or being "mentally divergent"?
"an Aspie can more easily relate to the mentally ill/drugged out of their gourd?"
NO
Maybe try going somewhere different to meet people. Maybe some church can help. That is the only place I can think of that might try to help you and tolerate AS problems if they are aware of trying to help people with disabilities.
I think maybe it is better to deal with spaced-out people. Most NT's hit rock bottom really fast on the scale of tolerance for an Aspie. No where to go but up, and I think some mind altering drugs can make that person more tolerable. And I certainly wouldn't propose going to a church to make friends, christians tend to be really on edge and whiny.
And I certainly wouldn't propose going to a church to make friends, christians tend to be really on edge and whiny.
My thoughts exactly. I went to a Church once moons ago in the hope of getting closer to a 17 year old I liked at the time (I think I was 18 or 19), and spent much of the ensuing time thinking "these people actually believe this???".
To cut a long story short, I have wondered if somehow, an Aspie can more easily relate to the mentally ill/drugged out of their gourd.
Well... I don't. I tend to have a sort of ':roll:' attitude to people who are drugged, and a nervous feeling about mentally ill (nervous about my own actions, not theirs).
NO
Maybe try going somewhere different to meet people. Maybe some church can help. That is the only place I can think of that might try to help you and tolerate AS problems if they are aware of trying to help people with disabilities.
I don't think he was saying "Aspies should go find druggies and other neurodivergents".
In relation to what was being said, I think I'd agree. It does seem to be easier for the most part, to get on with other individuals who've been forced out of NT society. I think the reason though is simply common ground; You both know what it feels like to be pushed aside, downtrodden, and otherwise looked at down their nose, and are both very tolerant of differences.
Whereas it's not benifical, if not downright damaging, for NT's to show compassion towards people with "problems", so particulary the social climbers or wannabe social climbers (ie. Chavs), will show little or no tolerance for Aspies, and other mental "issues".
(I should point out this is only in reference to the socially active parts of the population, settled down, middle aged, etc tend to be more accepting. Although I did once end up on the butt of a verbal abusing by a group of 60 year olds who felt "there's nothing wrong with you, *I* had it hard during the war years, you just want to scam the taxes *I* paid")
I think the reason though is simply common ground
Well said. I have never managed to sit around a normie (in the strictest sense of how I use the word) for ten minutes without wanting to hurt them.
Although I did once end up on the butt of a verbal abusing by a group of 60 year olds who felt "there's nothing wrong with you, *I* had it hard during the war years, you just want to scam the taxes *I* paid"
And they wonder why elderly folks are often on the receiving end of beatings from disenfranchised youths. The first thing I would be telling those morons is that if they think they have the slightest idea what having a problem is, I have a modelling knife I can introduce to their spinal column. The next would be that the world they helped build for me to live in sucks in the worst way possible.
Sorry, I am just not in a good mood. After the Something Awful revelation, I am voting we make war upon the normies.
I have had the experience of thinking I was friends with people who were on the outskirts of society because of their psychotic behaviours, violence, and other nonsocially acceptable behaviours. They only tolerated me because they were lonely. The problems started when they decided to become abusive toward me.
I guess what I am trying to say is this: it is not worth it to have friends that are abusive to us. I really do not care if someone is my friend and not considered NT.
My ability to relate stems from having been shoved among them and written off as human garbage. I would not be surprised to learn that some of the teens I met who were diagnosed with this or that illness were in fact Aspies.
I find that ppl who've faced their own challenges in life are more likely to be kind. They treat me and my differences with more compassion.
I have found a few kindred spirits amongst ppl who are psych survivors - it can be (but not always) something of an outsider's club. They're also a disadvantaged group fighting for similar issues as Auts/Aspies - better and safer treatment options, respect for their rights, respect for their treatment wishes, income & job support, subsidized housing, fair treatment in the media ... etc etc.
Even so, my social issues still get in the way. And, the relationships are still transient due to our mutual challenges.
BTW - remember that psych survivors who have psychosis issues (and not all do ) aren't psychotic all the time. It's something that they manage - like I try to manage my Aspie traits.
Indeed, a lot of psych patients get their basic rights circumvented at the gate. When I was being mistaken for... whatever... the psychs thought they could be big men by screwing with my diabetes medication. Calling the police and screaming "assault!" changed their minds in a flash. :lol:
Iron man, the only time I had anythign resembling a normal social life was when i was into clubbing- i had no problem getting along with all the people off their faces on drugs.
Twas one of the reasons i went... that and standing in front of the huge speakers to get the full blast of the vibrations, and dancing- that kind of dancing, is basically stimming, so that was fab too!
B xxx
In fact I think it goes the other way around... NTs on drugs can more easily relate to Aspies... or anyone, for that matter. What do you think "social drinking" is all about; when subject to any drug - alcohol, marijuana, E, LSD, whatever... one's inhibitions, biases, rage-triggers, and traumas are all numbed.
This aspie IS a user :lol: of everything but alcohol, I do not drink, much, I have 3 beers in my fridge, I guess they will last 6 months at least.
She was the first woman in my life I could hear the word "love" from and not expect to be physically assaulted.
Awws, you sound like one of those poor guys in Anime. No matter what they do, whenever they're in radius of anything female they end up getting told off or slapped across the face.