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Families of Adults Afflicted with Asperger's Syndrome
http://w ww.fa aa s. or g/
FAAAS is an organization for spouses, partners and other family members of adults with Asperger's Syndrome.  Based in Massachusetts, FAAAS has an active listserv and holds conferences.

This is a group famous for the broken face man. They promote the horrors of life with an aspie family member.  They are a hate group pure and simple.

they are famous or infamous for the broken face man???

So will AFF lead a colition to ask they leave??? or will AFF take this lying down???

this is not awareness , this is distortion!!!!!!!!!!!

Amy Wrote:
FAAAS is not a hate site

yes they are!!!

Amy Wrote:
If you are unhappy with what IAY do tell them yourself, but AFF as a whole needs to take an unemotional view of what IAY choose to do and put it into perspective of the good work they are doing as a whole, and the positive aims that they have for the community.


Calling FAAS a group for awareness is like calling antit-semitism awareness of jewish issues

I removed carley's email banning me from GRASP per amy's request.

it is at AI

http://www.aspergianisland.com/viewtopic...f2dcbc0da6
See that was not a personal attack!!!!!
Sheila Jennings Linehan publishes there I hear and the articles is very bigoted.

Amy Wrote:
Timing to highlight aspergers next year for Hans Aspergers anniversary, they have asked many groups to join all around the world.
Their aims are on their yahoo site. It may be the case that they cannot independently check each group, I would imagine that is certainly the case for foreign language sites and groups.

We are discussing the anniversary at the next aff meeting to see what members would like to do, if anything, to celebrate it.


Well to be honest I thought IAY was an excellent idea.  All sorts of groups can and should be part of it. But  to have FAAS  or NAAR or CAN  is unbalanced. I even asked the organizor is this gonna support all aspects of  hans asperger work or just the disease part? I added aspergia.com to the link list at IAY. It was removed because i was told it wasnt appropiate for IAY. yet FAAS is? Why only this viewpoint??

Jerry ,

I asked michael carly to speak with williston about it. So he banned me form grasp - the elists and the offline meettings. He claims not even to know what IAY is, tho he endorsed it per IAY. He said that was a personal attack which it wasnt. He said that wasnt a very community thing to do. Does he mean  I attacked him or I attacked FAAS?? Cos if you read my email it was no way an attack on him. Since when is every NT group part of the community???How is it that expressing an opinion is an attack?? we must all hold hands and sing kumbaya??? they can say despicable things about us but if one of us say anything it is a crime??? Carly always goes on about how aspies must converse among themselves, but apparently it must be carly approved.

I got an email from IAY saying that FAAS helps preserves marriages between aspies and NTs.

jerrynewport Wrote:

Bonnie Ventura Wrote:
AFF does not have enough influence with the IAY organizers to make a difference as to what groups are invited.  We need to pick our battles carefully, and I agree with Amy that trying to get FAAAS booted out of IAY would be a waste of time and energy.

That said, I also agree with Joe (cookieman) that FAAAS is a very negative group "afflicted" with bigotry, and I personally wouldn't want to associate with any organization that includes them.  (Joe, you may want to edit your post to break the hyperlink to FAAAS.)

I don't foresee FAAAS changing their viewpoint any time soon.  They seem to be as full of venom as that infamous Delphi group of bitter ex-wives.


     I am not a sponsor of IAY, no matter what it may claim. I can't sponsor a group that includes garbage like ASPIRES and FAAAS. Their mission is directly opposed to the spirit in which I live, advocate, write, treat my AS spouse and worked on a movie.

     IAY needs AFF more than the reverse. IAY is a paper tiger; a creation by a bunch of patronizing, clueless clowns. You should have read the letter I got from an organizer today.

    I hope that no mention of IAY will be insinuated into the website started about "Mozart and The Whale" by people with this list.

      OTOH, if you really believe AS is an affliction, you should boycott my movie Smile  If you don't, you should question why AFF remains a sponsor of IAY.

                                   Jerry Newport

In fairness to AFF,
that boycott was a thread on AI that was discussed here. And it was based on a WRONG IMPRESSION.

jerrynewport Wrote:
        It amazes me that an advocate like me could have faced a boycott from  you folks but you stoop to hang out with FAAAS

                                   Jerry Newport


Well at first I was excited by IAY. but I think AFF should rethink its involvement with IAY as I have done.

here is a FAAS tidbit
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http://www.mediate.com/comment/viewcomme...nclhdr=yes
Karen             09/15/05

"Perspectives: How Individuals with Asperger's Syndrome Often View Neurotypical Individuals"

In a recent article about Asperger's Syndrome, an adult with AS was quoted as complaining that neurotypical adults are "unpredictable, fickle and emotional." This fascinating comment reveals a great deal about the thinking of adults with AS and their feelings about NT family members. A little thought about this quote may give the reader some insight into the irony of mindblindness, and its heartrending effect on those who care for individuals with AS.

Yes, NTs might well appear to be "unpredictable, fickle and emotional" to the AS individual, precisely to the same degree that the AS individual is mind-blind. Since the AS individual cannot "see" environmental events that the NT can, s/he falsely assumes there is no basis for the NT's responses to the environment. This is best understood by analogy to a blind man being guided by a sighted man. The blind man would, theoretically, have the same basis for accusing his guide of being unpredictable, fickle and emotional:

1. Unpredictable - The blind man would experience his guide making unexpected turns and unpredictable stops, if he cannot see turns in the road and obstacles like red lights, other people, construction zones, open manholes, or traffic police.

2. Fickle - The blind man would be puzzled when the guide stops, turns around and goes the other way, if the blind man cannot see the dead end, the road block, or an angry dog blocking the road.

3. Emotional - The blind man would be puzzled when the guide expresses emotions such as alarm, excitement, or fear if he cannot see the demolition ball swing overhead, the parade, the purse thief, or the fire.

By analogy, many AS individuals have neurotypical guides -- parents, partners, and other family members. The individual with AS cannot "see" the social blunders s/he is talking to or walking into, the social-emotional obstacles, the body-language warnings, the signs of anger or distress in another, body-language warnings of stepping on another's toes, and the disastrous social consequences. Their NT guide can see these things and responds to them. But, because the AS individual "cannot see that s/he cannot see" the AS individual accuses the NT of being unpredictable, fickle or emotional.

Why don't we see blind people complaining that sighted people are unpredictable, fickle, and emotional? Why don't we see them berating their seeing-eye dogs for stopping abruptly and unexpectedly at a curb? Apparently, it's because they have insight about their disorder. They acknowledge and appreciate that their sighted guide can see things that they cannot, and they have the mind-vision to know that the guide's intention is to protect. They have the ability to imagine how things might look to their sighted guide.

In contrast, many AS individuals DO accuse their NT guides of being unpredictable, fickle and emotional. Apparently, it's because they lack insight into their disorder. Mindblindness itself can prevent them from being able to acknowledge and appreciate that their NT guides can see social-emotional processes and events that they cannot. They lack the mind-vision to know when a guide's intention is to protect.

Tragically, the NT guides who care must try to prevent and repair social-emotional destruction left in the wake of the AS individual to 1) outsiders, 2) the AS individual, and 3) the NT guide him/herself. This must be done without the support or appreciation (often in the presence of active antagonism) from the AS individual and from society. Ironically, the individual with AS may also find, perhaps correctly, that disparaging an NT guide often yields increased attentiveness and responsiveness. The analogy would be a blind man using his white cane to hit his guide,

It is helpful to see examples of AS individuals disparaging NTs in public, because it helps those who are facing the pain alone in their private lives to see and understand.

Author, anonymous FAAAS, Inc. 2005
Jerry

We are stronger together!!!!


AFF is a group so they first have to have a meeting about it. So please can wait for that meeting?

I am with you on that concerns must be raised on FAAAS. So please you plus maybe AFF and other ORG come to together and sign a statment of concern.
Jerry you have the gravitas to persuade other groups.

Drifter Wrote:
And FAAAS isn't 'evil'. That is Dubya talk. They're detestible and wrong but that is not the same thing as evil.


yes

but with excerpt i showed it undercuts any form of self advocacy. Cos we are mind blind therefore what we say isnt to be taken seriously.

Yes that is good news.



Jerry

I have spoken to amy and gareth about charity status. they have UK laws to contend with.


I am starting up something that will work like that in the US.  I have selected the company corp to setup the non profit status. around 400 USD
and use online Quickbooks for the accounting so everybody who needs to see the book can do so anywhere and anytime

also us gotomeeting.com for online meetings.
Hey

just checked FAAS website no more mention of IAY.


now we should offer a dialog with them if they get rid of that stupid word afflicted in the name and that very offensive image.

jerrynewport Wrote:

cookieman Wrote:
Hey

just checked FAAS website no more mention of IAY.

        Jerry:  That was fast Smile


now we should offer a dialog with them if they get rid of that stupid word afflicted in the name and that very offensive image.


    Yes, maybe we can help them find a better symbol. I could certainly live with "affected" rather than "afflicted."

                            Jerry



I agree

in a day or two I think amy and gareth and Jerry should co author a letter  
to the effect we think that mixed marriages is an important issue. and has its unique challenges. But we need to this as EQUALS not part of general put down message. Like the image and the afflicted.

in my humble opinion. of course feel free to disagree.

Edit: I think Michael Carley would be a good addition to that letter too. He has a mixed marriage.

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