Doesn't look like a hate site to me. It get's a little heavy on the negative speak(overuse of the word "afflicted") and is very one sided towards the family. I can't say for sure since the bulitin board isn't public.
Maybe someone can E-Mail the site to politely voice or concerns on the impact of the negitive image on individuals with Asperger Syndrome(By polite I don't mean called them bigots and other such names, athough it might feel good it will accomplish nothing).
i hate that faas site. to be more fair the should let the aspies post their stories about living with the NTs.
Sheila Jennings Linehan publishes there I hear and the articles is very bigoted.
I don't know who that is.
I don't think I would go as far as to say FAAAS is bigoted, that would put it in the same league as prank.org or John Best.
Also you should break any link to FAAS. Don't want to add to their google rating!
The word sponsor to me means donating money to a group to help them, we have not given any money. I dont know what else it would mean, but we havent particularly done anything else either.
Jerry: Sponsor also means to approve publicly and allow that approval to be advertized by a cause seeking donors or other kinds of support.
As far as I know IAY is aiming to highlight aspergers next year for Hans Aspergers anniversary, they have asked many groups to join all around the world.
Their aims are on their yahoo site. It may be the case that they cannot independently check each group, I would imagine that is certainly the case for foreign language sites and groups.
Jerry: They have no business forming a coalition of groups that can't be checked. Where there is a will, there is a way.
We are discussing the anniversary at the next aff meeting to see what members would like to do, if anything, to celebrate it.
Should AFF and other groups/sites miss out on partaking in the anniversary because of the existence of negative sites?
Jerry: It depends how negative. FAAAS crosses the line with persistently poisonous information and agenda. Would the NAACP invite David Duke? Would the JDL invite Arafat? Why should we want to bond with people who have no intention of learning anything through association with us; whose only agenda is to use this to enhance their credibility and be able to spread more poison?
It amazes me that an advocate like me could have faced a boycott from you folks but you stoop to hang out with FAAAS. Simply amazing. I really have to wonder what I am doing here at all. I guess I should just let you go ahead and exploit me when the movie comes out but I sure as hell won't be at any event benefiting AFF.
Goodbye,
Jerry Newport
Well at first I was excited by IAY. but I think AFF should rethink its involvement with IAY as I have done.
I feel the same way. It's a disgusting thought working with these...people.
I agree with Gareth that we shouldn't totally bycott these groups, but that doesn't mean we have to be their bedfellows!
But on the other hand to not get involved in this would be missing a great opportunity to spread the message around (An opportunity they jumped on). And if we stay away wouldn't it be like they have won.
I would be suprised if they contribute much at all. They probably signed up for brownie points.
I don't know. I am on the fence on this one.
Look at it this way, why should aspies have to leave the party because a bunch of NTs who hate aspies turn up? Shouldnt the aspies be allowed to stay?
Jerry: Yes and they should boot out the enemies of aspies, organizations like FAAAS.
AFF never boycotted Jerrys film,
Jerry: You would have done it in a heartbeat if I had not set you straight.
we dont sponsor anyone at all,
Jerry: You sponsor IAY by allowing use of your name.
IAY has asked people involved with aspergers to join, I dont think they can check every site, the same as we cannot check who every member is who joins this forum.
Jerry: That is a copout. If you don't care enough about a cause or list to provide a reasonable amount of security to legitimate members, you have no business running it.
IAY is run by a little group of clueless people in Washington, DC who are affiliated with GRASP. That is the problem. Michael J Carley just e-mailed me and begged me to come back to IYA. The real agenda of IYA is to promote GRASP, a cash cow for one person, period.
That is the truth. Deal with it.
Because John Best joined this forum are we collaborating with him?
Jerry: No but you can kick him off just as other lists have.
Amy, if this list was mine, I would bar anyone who doesn't have an official DX of autism or aspergers. I would have to see a faxed or scanned document. Yes, it would take time but that is the difference between me and you. I take the time to do something right.
That is why my books sell. That is why movie was made because of me. Not because I am "great." Because I don't settle for less than what any effort deserves. And I don't betray people who trust me.
Amy: Many groups and sites are on the internet, its like a huge city, new groups start within that city, alongside negative sites, but we cannot abandon the internet in protest and lose our voice in the community.
Jerry: Amy, grow up. You want to be rich but you don't want to pay your dues. You can't mean anything if you are going to be wishy-washy and all things to all people. FAAAS is evil. It is that simple. Stop rationalizing why your people here, without even vote, need to have an official alliance with FAAAS imposed on us.
The best option is to make positive sites, and shine out amongst the blackness of negativity.
Jerry: The best option is to act like a responsible advocacy organization instead of just fronting as one. Tell IYA to dump FAAAS. That is the responsible thing to do. Pull out until they do. Contact other orgs listed and urge them to do same. Show some spine, for god's sakes.
Show some organization. When will AFF ever have the legal, nonprofit status it needs to be more than just another internet wet dream?
When do you get over your obsession to keep everything in the clutches of a little clique and find people to help you do what you obviously can't do to make AFF really viable?
How about a little democracy? My groups are always democratic and have been for almost thirteen years. What gives you and Gareth a supreme monopoly on insight and wisdom here?
That's it. Now do me a favor and just tell me how to get off this list.
Jerry
well what a temper! :roll:
For good reason and I don't need crap from trolls like you either. Are you channeling for FAAAS today?
Jerry
Jerry: The best option is to act like a responsible advocacy organization instead of just fronting as one. Tell IYA to dump FAAAS. That is the responsible thing to do. Pull out until they do. Contact other orgs listed and urge them to do same. Show some spine, for god's sakes.
That may be the ethically true, but it's not practical. If we boycotted IAY nobody would notice or care.We just don't have the clout. And it would give us the image of being combative. A boycott of ~800 people is not very effective. And any message to IAY critisizing the their policies will probably provoke a defensive response. They are more likely to block AFF than FAAAS. FAAAS is more likely to get themself removed through their own bad behaviour. And just because IAY accepted FAAAS doesn't mean they support them. Just that they don't do their homework.
Show some organization. When will AFF ever have the legal, nonprofit status it needs to be more than just another internet wet dream?
When do you get over your obsession to keep everything in the clutches of a little clique and find people to help you do what you obviously can't do to make AFF really viable?
Do we need legal nonprofit status? Do we need to have the validation of the NT goverments to be considered worthwhile? Is a website that has attacted ~100 new people a month(since I have been here) not viable?
How about a little democracy? My groups are always democratic and have been for almost thirteen years. What gives you and Gareth a supreme monopoly on insight and wisdom here?
How many times does it have to be said, there is going to be a meeting next week do decide this issue and other things. It also not very demoractic of you to try to force AFF to do something by threatening to leave.
That's it. Now do me a favor and just tell me how to get off this list.
Jerry
I don't want you to to leave, I have great respect for you. but if that means that I have to go against my own wishes just to keep you here, I will have to say "Don't let the door hit you on the way out!". :?
The sad thing is that this is a tempest in a teapot, AFF doesn't not support FAAAS(and probably never will), and it hasn't bee decided wither to be involved with IAY.
And FAAAS isn't 'evil'. That is Dubya talk. They're detestible and wrong but that is not the same thing as evil.
FWIW, one of the leaders of IAY told me that he will ask FAAAS to withdraw. Whether FAAAS does or not, I am going to come back as a sponsor since they are acting in good faith. So there, if ONE person can get that to happen, what can 800 do?
As for Amy's argument, "we are not organized", I politely disagree. Not naturally maybe but when we are forced to make a change to help a cause, it is amazing what we wind up doing. Anyone in a marriage knows what I mean
I am as organized as rarely as possible but when I have to be, I use lots of lists and drills to feign organization.
If there is nobody in AFF who can wade through the maze of legal stuff that people like Michael J at GRASP did, there are actually some friendly NTs who can help with that.
I am glad AFF is apparently more democratic than I thought but at a loss as to how one can participate in this without being there physically.
Now, as to whether you need a tax-exempt status to be viable? Yes!!
You sure as hell need it if you want people like me to give money or help you raise it. Technically, your activity alone makes you viable but why remain broke while doing it? I am never going to live on the street again.
Reverend Ike: "The best way to help the poor is to not be one of them."
Finally, I really am sorry this whole thing came up while I think one of us is expecting. I am happy to just chill out on this until she makes her contribution to the next generation. Maybe she will have an aspie
Jerry Newport
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If there is nobody in AFF who can wade through the maze of legal stuff that people like Michael J at GRASP did, there are actually some friendly NTs who can help with that.
It is more complicated in the UK, we need offline groups, and donations over £1000 or more per year, it may be higher.
I understand better now.
I am glad AFF is apparently more democratic than I thought but at a loss as to how one can participate in this without being there physically.
In the chatroom, people type messages to each other, like talking via text real time.
OK. Thanks.
Finally, I really am sorry this whole thing came up while I think one of us is expecting. I am happy to just chill out on this until she makes her contribution to the next generation. Maybe she will have an aspie
If you mean me, then I had the baby a few short weeks ago, it was a boy :grin:
Then, in that case, no more Mr nice guy here I hope the boy is healthy. Congratulations. Name?
Jerry
Hey
just checked FAAS website no more mention of IAY.
Jerry: That was fast
now we should offer a dialog with them if they get rid of that stupid word afflicted in the name and that very offensive image.
Yes, maybe we can help them find a better symbol. I could certainly live with "affected" rather than "afflicted."
Jerry
in a day or two I think amy and gareth and Jerry should co author a letter
to the effect we think that mixed marriages is an important issue. and has its unique challenges. But we need to this as EQUALS not part of general put down message. Like the image and the afflicted.
in my humble opinion. of course feel free to disagree.
Edit: I think Michael Carley would be a good addition to that letter too. He has a mixed marriage.
I agree. in fact I suggested this on the first page. :smile:
I think we should just stick with marriage and leave the mixed out of it. The minute it is in, it implies something is unequal.
Jerry
I think we should just stick with marriage and leave the mixed out of it. The minute it is in, it implies something is unequal.
Jerry
I agree, also not nice for kids of that marriage to hear, and could cause confusion for them.
"Mixed" should wait until people begin marriage out of their species which, considering what I read on some NT lists, is probably already happening.
Jerry
"Mixed" should wait until people begin marriage out of their species
Then extraterrestrial civil rights activists will object to the use of the word. :wink:
You think Ets would lower themselves to marry Nts? Maybe earthgirls are easy after all
Jerry