Aspies For Freedom

AFF does not have enough influence with the IAY organizers to make a difference as to what groups are invited.  We need to pick our battles carefully, and I agree with Amy that trying to get FAAAS booted out of IAY would be a waste of time and energy.

That said, I also agree with Joe (cookieman) that FAAAS is a very negative group "afflicted" with bigotry, and I personally wouldn't want to associate with any organization that includes them.  (Joe, you may want to edit your post to break the hyperlink to FAAAS.)

I don't foresee FAAAS changing their viewpoint any time soon.  They seem to be as full of venom as that infamous Delphi group of bitter ex-wives.

If "Cookieman" is "Joe" then what does the "T" in "T. Heasman" stand for?  :?

Stella

FAAS are repellent, repulsive, repugnant. I haven't bothered to look at the site for a long time, as I didn't see any value in it or prospects of something positive developing from it.

Why don't these FAAS people just go get a divorce or F-off? :? I find it is easy enough to avoid the company my tedious NT kin, so why can't these whinger NTs just remove themselves from the presence of the aspies who they obviously detest and/or pity?

Take a look at this article by Alyric:

http://www.geocities.com/autistry/smokemirrors.html

Linehan is a Canadian attorney whose area of "expertise" is representing spouses of Aspies in divorce/custody cases and arguing that Aspies are unfit parents.

A despicable woman.

     I am not a sponsor of IAY, no matter what it may claim. I can't sponsor a group that includes garbage like ASPIRES and FAAAS. Their mission is directly opposed to the spirit in which I live, advocate, write, treat my AS spouse and worked on a movie.

     IAY needs AFF more than the reverse. IAY is a paper tiger; a creation by a bunch of patronizing, clueless clowns. You should have read the letter I got from an organizer today.

    I hope that no mention of IAY will be insinuated into the website started about "Mozart and The Whale" by people with this list.

      OTOH, if you really believe AS is an affliction, you should boycott my movie   If you don't, you should question why AFF remains a sponsor of IAY.

                                   Jerry Newport

Oh I agree, this sort of thing existing in the country I live and all just makes me sick. She's making money off treating people like crap.

Amy, have you considered the possibility of setting up our own competing anniversary event?  Something along the lines of "International Autistic Liberation Year," with a web page and an online conference run by AFF.

Yes, and Amy had nothing to do with it.  If anyone is to blame for the boycott discussion, it should be me; I'm the one who lost my temper and overreacted.

AFF has not decided to "hang out with FAAAS."  As Amy said, the issue of what to do about IAY will be discussed at the next meeting, and no decision has been made yet.

I can't see the FAAAS piece quoted by cookieman as being  hostile in the way of Mr John Best of ill-fame.

It is more in the line of "mother knows best" and, while I don't agree with a lot of it, I don't think the author means to harm us, though it's often said the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I would guess you could have some kind of dialogue with this author, and might even succeed in changing their mind on some points. This would be a better outcome than just telling them to flake off.

Stella

well what a temper!  :roll:

It's not pleasant to see you trying to boss Amy about, with all your boasting and big talk and aggressive insistence that others must agree with you or you'll stomp off, slamming the door behind you.

Stella

I agree, also not nice for kids of that marriage to hear, and could cause confusion for them.

Then extraterrestrial civil rights activists will object to the use of the word.   :wink:

My opinion appears to be unwelcome, but I've never let such considerations deter me.

Why not call a spade a spade? Marriages between NTs and aspies are mixed marriages, an ill-informed attempt at partnership between different and incompatible types of people. I've never seen such a marriage in real life that seemed to be happy or nurturing for either partner. I've never seen NT and aspie partners or family members grow closer or fonder with the passage of time, the alienation always seems to grow. I've seen mixed marriages of exploitation or convenience. Some of these marriages can be truly abusive and putrid, with the NT partner the parasite, not some kind of "carer". I think such relationships are a stupid idea, and any organisation that has an expressed goal to support, encourage or perpetuate such partnerships should be opposed, and not tolerated or supported, in my opinion.

Some relationships should not be supported or encouraged because they were a bad idea form the start. No one should enter into a marriage for mere convenience or for exploitation or because they feel sorry for someone or for dependency. An illiterate shouldn't marry a smart aspie just so that they will have a meal ticket and someone to cover for their lack of education. An aspie shouldn't feel obliged to say married to someone who makes them feel miserable or stupid or betrayed all the time, just because they take religion and marriage so seriously that they can't accept the idea of divorce. A lot of people need to be helped out of bad relationships.