Aspies For Freedom

Try to marry a non Asp, so you can lessen the chance of an Autistic child. Not trying to insult, but everyone would rather have a healthy, normal functioning baby.

No wonder you can't get what I'm saying, you're a dee dee dee. Well, Miss Tard, I was just trying to better humanity through natural selection. Aspies aren't supposed to have children.

EnglishLulu,he's a troll from another forum.

Aspies are intellectually superior.  If this IS the result of natural selection, survival of the fittest wins, and brain power is more lucrative than braun, I'd say the days of NT's are numbered.

Sorry.   :wink:

heh?  How so?

And, I'm not trying to be a troll.  You took my jab at AlCapone too seriously.

Man, when are the PC makers going to invent the sarcasm button.  My sense of humor is way too dry for the internet.   :roll:

But, now you've got me thinking.  How can brain power be discarded?  We are heading toward an age where the abstract and the tangible will collide.  Our world is becoming virtual.  Nothing can change that.  And those that cannot function in the abstract world will fall behind.  

Are you disagreeing with this?  Please explain.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I see what you are saying.  Well, I have to agree with you to some degree.  But I also see a rapid rise in use of technology.  I perceive that as time goes by, a greater emphasis will be placed on use of technology as a basic skill set for survival, rather than a luxury.

It is interesting that in most factory environments that I'm aware of, advanced PC skills are a requirement.  In my company and in others, a machinist cannot hold a job unless he knows how to use XP.  

The reason I point out technology in such a generality is that I believe interfaces will continue to evolve and users will be required to stretch their imaginations in efforts to deploy tech integration in new ways.  The global market demands this.  Third world countries are leaping over infrastructures and jumping straight into the 21st century.  Meanwhile, more "civilized" nations are stuck in the snares of antiquated infrastructure and suffering from its limitations.  This is the time for the "other guys" to rise up and take their place in the global market.  

I would have to disagree here.  People as a whole are evolving.  They are embracing the internet and new cultures are forming.  I believe many people think differently than they did before.  It would seem foreign and queer for someone of the past to consider they could become part of a digital community.  Now, it is becoming commonplace.  

This won't be an "over-night" evolution, but one that will develop slowly over time.  

We still have our "cultural icons".  A large percentage of people still rely on mass media as their portal to world information.  But this is also changing.  Many unknowns are rising to fame, thanks to the internet.

I would disagree here, too.  Technology is advancing at dizzying rates.  I'm not sure I can think of any market where advancement rates have declined.

Anyway, very good points you bring out.  I'm just throwing my opinion in the air for what its worth.  

Thanks for responding.  The floor is yours.    :smile:

Good points, again.

I've wondered before about what you are saying.  It does seem that we should modify the phrase "survival of the fittest" to read "success of the fittest".  It is true that with medical advances, very little effort is needed to survive in today's world.

Doesn't sound like a good outcome.  Do you really think it will be that bad?

So, you believe we are caught up in a never ending cycle?

By the way, please don't misunderstand.  I do not have a utopian view of the future.  But I do look with optimism at new opportunities that will arise for "intellectuals".  More and more jobs are requiring brains rather than braun.  Also, I don't see this as permanent.  Something will eventually happen to destroy the infrastructures that will support these opportunities.  Sure, the ideals of Western Culture will eventually fall to human nature.  But hopefully, we'll have some time.  And until then, I do look forward to the types of opportunities I've described.  If you really want to get technical, Earth's days are numbered and it will all end one day.

If nothing else, you can bet we may experience some difficulties with Y5B.

Maybe our arguments are based on two different time tables.  

I hear what you are saying, M.  I think we have corporations to thank for that.  I was talking with someone not too long ago that was ranting about WalMart, and the evils that corrupt that company.  They had this vision of evil corporate leaders sitting in some dark and smokey board room, plotting the demise of the world for profit.  

I asked this guy if he owned any stock?  He said yes.  I then blamed him for the evils of corporations.  I went on to explain that HIS employees, corporate board members, were doing their job to give him the best return on his investment.  To ensure this, that same board has instructed their subordinates (CEO, CIO, CFO, COO) to streamline operations for maximum profit.  Sure, they throw a bone to certain special interest groups as well as environmental and labor agencies, but just enough to get by.  There is no moral obligation to the world.

But these guys are just trying to do their job.  They are trying to do what they perceive is right in the twisted culture created by corporations.  

So, I summed up by explaining that the greed of every stock holder and consumer (i.e. any participant in our free enterprise system) are to blame.  Human nature sucks.

I sometimes wish things were more simple.  I'm not so sure living a hundred years ago in a small rural community would be a bad life (except for the fact I probably couldn't function back then).  But, we have to have our computers, our cell phones, our medical services, and our consumer electronics to be happy.  I blame just about every member of the western culture for our problems with corporations.  I'm also to blame.  I love to complain about these companies, but I also like buying products at the lowest price.  It's greed by all, pure and simple.

I'm sorry to hear that, M.  Sounds like management was most definitely taking a wrong approach there.  Definitely not the mark of a world class organization.

I understand.  


We'll enjoy the west while we can... before the moon splits in two, and Thundar arrives.  

For some strange reason, conversations surrounding Thundar the Barbarion have been popping up at work.  I guess we are wrestling with the idea that the moon can split in two and remain intact as two complete halves.  That's our vision of how the end of the world might look.   :smile:

Drifter, I totally agree.  I have actually heard of stock holders rallying against certain actions by their corporation.  And they were successful in instituting change.  But this is very rare.  

Absolutely, people would have to be willing to sacrifice the products they enjoy.  That includes products like Tamiflu.  Roche Laboratories isn't out to save the world.  They are out to make a buck.  But the result is a product most of us want.  We lose alot without corporations.  

And developing products like Tamiflu takes an enormous amount of investment capital... amounts that only corporations can afford to invest.  In fact, most of the products we enjoy take years to fully develop.  This is something a "mom & pop" startup simply can't afford to do.  That's why most of these little guys hope to develop a marketable product and then get sucked up by a major corporation in order to cash in on their efforts.  The owner gets rich, while the handful of employees go unemployed.  Most of the "mom & pop's" that do stay in business are either retailers or service oriented companies.  I can't think of many that actually fabricate anything.

The trick is to reform corporations.  But that's like trying to make communism actually work.  Sounds great in theory, but...

RE: Moon Splitting


Very interesting stuff, Stella.  Makes you wonder where Hanna Barbera got the idea.  (or Ruby-Spears or whoever was the creator of that show)

Don't know.  It was fun while it lasted.   :smile:

My $.02--don't bring it up right away but do be your genuine self. That way, if you make it past a couple of dates, it's because the potential partner likes you just as you are enough to keep going out with you. Then, when it makes sense to bring it up, go for it.  Suppose, for example, you two were talking about online forums and you mentioned you participated in AFF.  Then, when you get the "What's that?" response, you can explain to your heart's content and see what your potential partner makes of it.

Well, it depends on what you mean by "so long." A few dates is not a long time in relationship space. A few months, yeah, that's getting long.  How she feels and thinks about Asperger's would be one of many issues that would come up in a longer term relationship with you.  Assuming she knows nothing about AS at the time you tell her, how she reacts will in part be a function of how you present the information--e.g. "I have AS and this is what's really cool about it..." verus "I have AS and it could cause problems for us unless we..." If she already knows about AS, then you'll get a chance to encouter and possibly changes her preconceived ideas. But who am I to give advice? I gave up on the dating scene a long time ago!