10-18-2005, 04:28 PM
Amy Wrote:
One person answered so far, but maybe I was misunderstood as she talks about music therapy being added to the DSM. :?
Very likely - how can a therapy form be added to the DSM? :?
10-18-2005, 04:28 PM
10-18-2005, 07:33 PM
Amy Wrote:
*I have been at it for over a year and I continue to witness minute improvements in my son. As I think back, the cumulative improvement is sensational! :
When I was a small girl I was very markedly autistic. I was called "Little Miss Echo".
These very obvious signs of autism gradually faded into my teens, so there were "minute improvements" without any of the flummery of heavy metal poisoning.
In any case, how can heavy metal poisoning be heritable and run in families? Obvious tosh!
Now I see Sainsbury's are selling something called a "Heritage Chicken"
Stella
10-18-2005, 07:36 PM
Stella Wrote:
Now I see Sainsbury's are selling something called a "Heritage Chicken"
:lol:
Can someone give me a mind eraser so I can get rid of the image of a chicken in morris dancer uniform in my head? :?
10-18-2005, 07:40 PM
Oh Noe, I am so pleased you enjoyed the "Heritage Chicken" - after I'd posted it I did wonder if anyone would understand the ghastly comedy of it.
Stella
Stella
10-18-2005, 07:45 PM
Stella Wrote:
Oh Noe, I am so pleased you enjoyed the "Heritage Chicken" - after I'd posted it I did wonder if anyone would understand the ghastly comedy of it.
The most fantastic comedy is usually accidental (or derived from incomprehensible marketing and branding decisions such as this one). 
10-18-2005, 08:42 PM
"Our Heritage Chickens are super-fast growing chickens that don't exercise a great deal. The result is a young, fatty bird - essentially a super baby."
10-18-2005, 08:52 PM
All Sainsbury's Heritage Chickens adhere to the "assured chicken production industry initiative."
:roll:
:roll:
10-18-2005, 08:57 PM
Oh Amy, I mustn't lie to you. :oops:
Remember that I belong to the "Richly Detailed Imaginery World" school of autism.
Stella
Remember that I belong to the "Richly Detailed Imaginery World" school of autism.
Stella
10-19-2005, 04:23 AM
Amy Wrote:
Many of the posts at the conference are getting very depressing, and it's quite different from last year.
It seems that many NT parents are posting as though on a forum, and then replying to each other, which could be done anywhere, rather than the 'experts on the panel' having any input.
There has already been many 'how chelation saved my son' posts, and when trying to respond the usual drivel responses that are based on emotion and not fact 'well you haven't seen my son' type of arguments on mercury.
Also parents advising each other how to find ABA, saying how good Son-rise is, the typical things on an NT parents forum.
I could read those things, and be argued down, and criticised any day of the week without waiting for a special conference for it.
:roll:
It seems that many NT parents are posting as though on a forum, and then replying to each other, which could be done anywhere, rather than the 'experts on the panel' having any input.
There has already been many 'how chelation saved my son' posts, and when trying to respond the usual drivel responses that are based on emotion and not fact 'well you haven't seen my son' type of arguments on mercury.
Also parents advising each other how to find ABA, saying how good Son-rise is, the typical things on an NT parents forum.
I could read those things, and be argued down, and criticised any day of the week without waiting for a special conference for it.
:roll:
well not all the Parents are that bad. look at this thread I found in the discussions:
Helen Doe Wrote:
Whichever way you look at it, it’s still autism. Or is it?
I read this paper with interest.
I'm not entirely sure what I think about the whole thing really because I am relatively new to Autism. My son was diagnosed with HFA recently.
As to the question of a cure, I am not quite sure what that would even mean. Surely that would mean a great many different things. My understanding of ASC is that everyone on that spectrum is somewhat unique. It makes sense to me to cure a bacterial infection, or to cure aids, cancer, a cold.... but cure a way of being is a little harder to pin down.
If I am pressed, what exactly would I change in my son? That's really hard. If I were to make him more social then he would be so much more likely to be subject to peer pressure and become a substance abuser. If I change his way of communicating then he'd lose his unbelievable vocabulary and wonderful turn of phrase that has come to define him which really, as he gets older will become less of a problem to him. I guess when I'm really pushed to think about it, I actually like him.
I've really known him for too long to cure him now. However, I can't speak for him. But, I think he's OK with who he is. From listening to him, the things that he hates really relate to how others relate to him, not how he relates to others. He's quite happy living his life the way he does.
Having said that, my son can talk and communicate and he has at least an average IQ. The issues facing someone with low IQ and without language are so different to those facing my son so I really can't say anything about that.
I read this paper with interest.
I'm not entirely sure what I think about the whole thing really because I am relatively new to Autism. My son was diagnosed with HFA recently.
As to the question of a cure, I am not quite sure what that would even mean. Surely that would mean a great many different things. My understanding of ASC is that everyone on that spectrum is somewhat unique. It makes sense to me to cure a bacterial infection, or to cure aids, cancer, a cold.... but cure a way of being is a little harder to pin down.
If I am pressed, what exactly would I change in my son? That's really hard. If I were to make him more social then he would be so much more likely to be subject to peer pressure and become a substance abuser. If I change his way of communicating then he'd lose his unbelievable vocabulary and wonderful turn of phrase that has come to define him which really, as he gets older will become less of a problem to him. I guess when I'm really pushed to think about it, I actually like him.
I've really known him for too long to cure him now. However, I can't speak for him. But, I think he's OK with who he is. From listening to him, the things that he hates really relate to how others relate to him, not how he relates to others. He's quite happy living his life the way he does.
Having said that, my son can talk and communicate and he has at least an average IQ. The issues facing someone with low IQ and without language are so different to those facing my son so I really can't say anything about that.
etho foxhill Wrote:
cure for autism?
I too don't know if I would want to "cure" my child from her autism, autism is who she is. Until a year ago I never had a "true" diagnosis, but we have known from birth she was unique, by a few weeks old it was no stretch to say she was autistic.
But than she spoke, not syllables, not babbles, but real words, than sentences, all before she was 1 and all the drs. than insisted oh she can't be autistic she speaks.
And so I raised her from a babe, to a tiny tkyke, to a preschooler, to a school-ager all the time never having a label, but always knowing.
Her issues in school hit a peak when we moved to a tiny district and they didn't know how to educate a child like her, one so different, so immeshed in her own world.
It was oh your child is wilfully chosing to misbehave and oh she's emotional disturbed, never looking at what they were doing to cause her frustration.
3 years later and we got a wonderful private placement, after the label a year ago and it has made the difference.
All trained in Autism, all trained in ABA, all knowing that some children just learn differently.
They don't want to cure/change my child they only want my daughter to learn to live with what God has given her.
God chose to give her her special talents, and god chose to give her me, and without her Autism she would not be the child I have grown to love with all my heart.
Yes her IQ is normal and she is verbal and her social skills are in the toliet, but I've rather learn how to help her live in our world, while she helps me to live in hers than cure her and make her sad and miserable because she was not allowed to be herself.
Remember the old book/song free to be you and me, that's all I ask for her, free to be herself, free to live in a world without prejudice or intolerance because the world must adapt to folks who are different.
Children with Autism are paving roads especially in schools and the world that colored children had to do in the 60's, did we try to cure them by painting them white. NO
so why should we try to change our children just to make teacher's lives easier.
I too don't know if I would want to "cure" my child from her autism, autism is who she is. Until a year ago I never had a "true" diagnosis, but we have known from birth she was unique, by a few weeks old it was no stretch to say she was autistic.
But than she spoke, not syllables, not babbles, but real words, than sentences, all before she was 1 and all the drs. than insisted oh she can't be autistic she speaks.
And so I raised her from a babe, to a tiny tkyke, to a preschooler, to a school-ager all the time never having a label, but always knowing.
Her issues in school hit a peak when we moved to a tiny district and they didn't know how to educate a child like her, one so different, so immeshed in her own world.
It was oh your child is wilfully chosing to misbehave and oh she's emotional disturbed, never looking at what they were doing to cause her frustration.
3 years later and we got a wonderful private placement, after the label a year ago and it has made the difference.
All trained in Autism, all trained in ABA, all knowing that some children just learn differently.
They don't want to cure/change my child they only want my daughter to learn to live with what God has given her.
God chose to give her her special talents, and god chose to give her me, and without her Autism she would not be the child I have grown to love with all my heart.
Yes her IQ is normal and she is verbal and her social skills are in the toliet, but I've rather learn how to help her live in our world, while she helps me to live in hers than cure her and make her sad and miserable because she was not allowed to be herself.
Remember the old book/song free to be you and me, that's all I ask for her, free to be herself, free to live in a world without prejudice or intolerance because the world must adapt to folks who are different.
Children with Autism are paving roads especially in schools and the world that colored children had to do in the 60's, did we try to cure them by painting them white. NO
so why should we try to change our children just to make teacher's lives easier.
Sally Hutchinson Wrote:
Perfect just how he is!
Hi,
I agree with your comments. My 12 year old son also has autism, with a high IQ, 'unusual' vocab, and a gentle and angelic personality. I want him to have the skills to cope on planet earth, but other than that I wouldnt change a thing. He is beautiful, and if a cure means that he is more like his peers. . .no thanks! Sorry this is garbled; I just wanted to let you know that other parents out their celebrate their children as they are rather than wanting to shape them into a 'normal' stereotype.
Hi,
I agree with your comments. My 12 year old son also has autism, with a high IQ, 'unusual' vocab, and a gentle and angelic personality. I want him to have the skills to cope on planet earth, but other than that I wouldnt change a thing. He is beautiful, and if a cure means that he is more like his peers. . .no thanks! Sorry this is garbled; I just wanted to let you know that other parents out their celebrate their children as they are rather than wanting to shape them into a 'normal' stereotype.
After this Donna Williams had a bunch of interesting things to say about IQ tests which I am too tired to type up now. maybe in another thread.
10-19-2005, 07:35 AM
Stella Wrote:
"Our Heritage Chickens are super-fast growing chickens that don't exercise a great deal. The result is a young, fatty bird - essentially a super baby."
Essentially, battery chickens that are bred to just sit there, not move, and steadily grow fatter. Yum :?
(Do they deliberately make this sound unappetising? Inedible? Then again I can't swallow poultry, fish or meat without gagging, so not the best judge there really!)
Stella Wrote:
All Sainsbury's Heritage Chickens adhere to the "assured chicken production industry initiative."
They have got to be kidding. Now they are also super-intelligent and can read/understand the words of this so-called initiative (adherence seems to imply a certain level of compliance after all!). :roll:
10-19-2005, 11:27 PM
Amy Wrote:
One person answered so far, but maybe I was misunderstood as she talks about music therapy being added to the DSM. :?
Gawd, that music therapy woman is annoying!
She keeps posting in the threads advising people to look into music therapy and mentioning, ever so casually, like, btw, I'm a music therapist. Blatant advertising of her own services!
And it's not only once in a thread about a particular subject, she does it several times in each thread.
I was going to report her to the mods, but it clicks through to a Microsoft Outlook link... :roll:
I think blatant self-promotion and selling of services like that shouldn't be allowed. :evil:
10-20-2005, 12:28 AM
EnglishLulu Wrote:
Blatant advertising of her own services!
I think blatant self-promotion and selling of services like that shouldn't be allowed. :evil:
Carrion crows! Vultures!
We live in a multi-vultural society in which we have become the free dinner of others!
Stella
10-20-2005, 01:17 AM
Stella Wrote:
...We live in a multi-vultural society in which we have become the free dinner of others!
Ooh, I love that term! Lol! :lol:
10-20-2005, 01:21 AM
Amy Wrote:
Drifter, I know all the parents are not making those posts, but it was on a thread that I had started, and wished to participate it, but was then steamrollered into a big 'chelation is wonderful' advert. Also some of the other threads that I was posting in. Its not possible to read all of the threads, as following them all is too much.
I know I know. it's just heartwarming to hear them talk like that.it's nice to know that not everyone is against you. I am glad that some have resisted the negitive Autism view.
Where is this post?
10-20-2005, 08:03 AM
Drifter Wrote:
I know I know. it's just heartwarming to hear them talk like that.it's nice to know that not everyone is against you. I am glad that some have resisted the negitive Autism view.
To be honest I don't think it's a matter of "resisting" the negative view. *Most* people can think for themselves, and parents who happen to have a child on the Spectrum, my impression is that first and foremost they care about their child and want the best for their child. But different people simply think and react differently, regardless of any "propaganda" (some people jump at any offer, others culdn't care less etc.).
Some people unfortunately tend to see thngs in black and white (i.e. either completely deny and ignore their child's autism, a la "there is nothing wrong with him/her, he'she will grow out of it" etc., or they throw hysterics and demand a cure, *now*).
But those who are open-minded tend to be less likely to see things that way, and are perhaps more open to recogniseing all aspects of autism, they realise that autism is a part of who their child is, and they don't seek a cure but instead want to learn how to understand their child, and try to teach their child how to use his or her skills to get by, rather than forcing the child to use ways and methods that are alien to him or her.
That's just how different people deal with things - some people are just more sceptical than others, some are more negativistic than others. Yes negative stereotypes don't help but in the case of open-minded parents, I doubt there is any deliberate "rejection" of these stereotypes going on.