Aspies For Freedom

Why exactly have they put him in there? They must've considered him some kind of threat, what is the evidence they give for it?

I think I have heard of this situation before, but don't remember where.  The neighbors had a problem with him being allowed to swim in the pool and be seen outside of the house.  I believe that they felt that it was either unsafe for him, bad for the community, or that it would affect property values or something.  I think they were petitioning to someone to support their view and were turned down.  I wish now that I remembered where I heard it from.

I did sign the petition.  I wasn't trying to justify his treatment, I was merely trying to remember where else I had heard about this from.  I think it was Dr. Phil, but I don't remember and it is bugging me.

I believe in this case that the behavioral problems he is being medicated were not as much of an issue before he was institutionalized.  If he is the one I am thinking about, his family is fairly well-to-do and lives in a really nice neighborhood.  The complaints I heard from the neighbors who got him committed bordered on 1.  It's not safe for someone like him to be in a swimming pool alone and 2. He shouldn't be allowed to be seen outside because his prsence has a negative affect on our neighborhood.  In other words, he was only institutionalized because of prejudice and not because his parents couldn't effectively handle his behaviors.  I would assume that he is acting out because he doesn't want to be locked up and wants to go back home to his family and swimming pool.

Umm, Autism is a nerological disorder. It may have autoimmune disorder as a comorbid but that is something different. unless this is a new theory that I haven't heard about. (in the wiki we should add the comorbid condition called Autistotheoromegaly Unprovenism: The rapid growth of unproven autism theories :wink

I signed the petition BTW. I hope he is freed.

Here is a page about autism on the wiki:
http://aspiesforfreedom.com/wiki/index.php?title=Autism

Yes, there are studies and lab. but all the other theories have studies that back them too. it's not until a theory can explain not only autism but the results of all the onther studies would that theory be accepted.

I don't want to be nitpicky about this. it's just that there is a lot of misinformation out there on autism.We have to be really carefull about what we say.

The drugs where are only a part of the error that the doctors made. I believe that when Hasit arrived at the Pych Hospital he probably was very violent and aggressive and the shinks descided that he require drugs to pacify him but if they looked closer into his history maybe they would have realised why this behavour is occuring.

Hasit strikes me as an Autist that is heavly dependent on routine. If something happens out of place he will get anxious and distressed and will lash out lacking any other means of communicating his distress. Now just imagine how he would feel if one day someone took him out of his home and away from everyone he has known and put him in a strange place where uncomfortable procedures are done to him.  He would have been scared confused anxious and distressed. So it no suprise that he would be aggressive. It would feel to him like an alien abduction, only one that never ended. If the pychs had realised this they could have avoided it together, by maintaining his routine and enviroment as much as possible with the facility or even better letting him stay in his home and visiting him there.

It the same old problem, doctors that take care of the behaviours without looking at there underlying causes (Or even more fundementially focusing on a person's problems rather than the person).

It is going to be very rough for Mr. Hasit to recover from this. They have reduced his chances of recovery by this treatment and the longer this goes on the less hope there will be for him.

Autism is a genetic condition - it is NOT caused by heavy metals, autoimmune system failures or immunisations. The brain of an autistic person is constructed differently to other people and this is genetically determined. It is true that a mild tendency to autism could be aggravated by exposure to an adverse physical and/or social environment.

Ooh, yuck!  Fig leaves are all scratchy!  And gum leaves are too small and cardboardy.  Kapok leaves are too hairy.  And you'd want to make sure all the thorns are off the rosebush leaves.  Thank heavens we discovered paper! :lol:
Alison

I'd be inclined to think diabetes is an autoimmune disease but what causes the body to attack itself in this way, I don't know.

My mother and sister had trouble with their thyroid, but each settled down without medication.  By the time I found out I had an autoimmune disease, my thyroid was functionally gone, and the disease has also attacked my hearing.  I am not deaf, but definitely "hard of hearing".  I also suffered from arthitic-like pain in my arms for years, plus high blood pressure (my then doctor put me on beta blockers, with slowed my heart rate down even lower  :shock: to around 42 beats per minute.  Normal is around 80).  I've felt better than I ever have this year since my diagnosis of both autoimmune disease and Aspergers.  At least now I know what is going on!

Lauren has IBS (Irritable bowel syndrome); I've noticed it flairs up whenever she is stressed out.

My NT husband is Sri Lankan originally; he developed Diabetes over the last few years.  It runs in his family, his father had Insulin-dependent Diabetes, but luckily Vernu is able to control his with diet and a tablet a day.

Alison

There was an article recently that said having a few threadworms could be good for you as it helps keep down autoimmune conditions such as IBS. I think people would be driven insane by all the itching, but.

It's also been suggested we as a society are too clean and because of this, other conditions such as asthma have been very much on the rise. It could also be due to increased smoking rates in women and increased air pollution of other kinds.

There is certainly a lot we don't know about most common and less common diseases.

Of course we still have to define what a normal healthy person is first before we can start figuering out what a normal healthy cellular network is suppose to be.  Theres no clear and cut answer to what normal is, as of yet and I doubt there ever will be.  We'll just keep declaring more and more people as being abnormal without really knowing what is normal.

I've been told that autistic people metabolise drugs differently and that might be why they either don't work or have very bad side effects. This is an area where much further research needs to be done.

I also think the "autism" gene or genes has been around for a long time and must at some stage been adaptive.

What model systems are picked and the reason behind why they are picked  are issues which effects the outcome.  Are people in the field assuming theres only one basic "correct" cell structure or that the one which happends to be found in the majority of the model systems is the "correct" one?  Could there in fact be more then one "correct" model system.

The fact is when you do studies, first one starts with some questions you want answered and with other questions one assumps to know the answer to already.  Like if your asking "Why is A like B", your assuming that the question "Are A and B alike" is yes.  Of course the questions we want answered tend to be more complex and the questions we assume to know the answer to already tend to be many and more complex.

People also would probably need to keep in mind that genes may have multible functions, function differently in different envirements or influnced in different ways which might effect their functions.  Heck there might be the problem that two genes from two different people appear to be the same while if we had better insturments would let people know they are instead different genes, or that two genes from two different people that appear to be different might in fact be the same gene.  One could be making an assumption that a specific gene always shows up in a specific place of the DNA or is limited to a specific area of the DNA.  It also could be possable that a gene could have multible "layouts" which have the same or simular effects on function.  By saying something is healthy a person is labeling something as being the proper function of a gene when in fact it most certainly isn't automaticly true nor necessary constently true.

I think the issue is going from studing something to judging and labeling something.   As soon as peole start labeling something as good and bad or healthy and unhealthy people are jumping from what one think one knows to a broader assumption of how people think biology works and whats needs fixed.

This bit makes me think you misunderstood me.  I actually think it would be far easier to tell the difference between types of neurological wiring than it would be to then judge the neurological wiring and say certain wirings are healthy and certain ones are diseased.  The first being more objective and the later being more biased/subjective.