Actually I have to say that you are behaving like a nazi in an NT fashion. What right do you have to imply that those of us who choose to write in a way that isn't acceptable to you personally is STUPID? :evil:
Stupid is as stupid does and I'd have to say that you made yourself look pretty STUPID by insinuating that other Aspies are stupid for one little apostrophe. :wink:
It found 112 matches. Now that doesn't mean there are truely that many instances of the stupid mistake,
That's where you said it!
I'm letting off steam and enlightening those who didn't realise they were making the mistake
Everyone is entitled to let of steam but to point out to people that they are making mistakes is neither courteous or fair. I'm sure you have a number of annoying little habits but accepting everyone as they are apostrophe's and all is or at least I thought it was the ethos of AFF.
Were you aware of the fact that a large proportion of the AS population also has Dyslexia?
Not sure if anyone has done a study but can ask two UK experts this question - as for the rest of the world can't help I'm afraid!
In my family seven out of ten of us are Dyslexic, and eight out of ten including me are Dyscalculic :cry:
Will get back to you on the question.
Amy knows why I can't divulge my contacts, but please be assured that this information comes from some of the UK's respected experts who have been researching and working with AS for many years. This is the first response to my email about Dyslexia in AS.
I don't have a specific answer for you but I do have a couple of comments.
1) re the diagnosis: I guess that it often depends who you see what label you are given. If you see a physiotherapist (under whatever title) you will get a label of dyspraxia; if an ed psych - dyslexia; if a SALT you will have a speech and language disorder and if you go to Elliott Housr you will have Asperger Syndrome etc etc. I suppose the diagnosis is given in accord with the experience of the diagnoser and also to aid the access to appropriate services.
2) Many of the people with these disorders are recognising the huge commonalities of issues they have and are calling themselves "NeuroDiverse" in recognition of all the overlap.
I have come across people with ASDs who are dyslexic but also some who are termed as hyper and write screeds without a spelling or grammatical answer.
Precis I don't know
TITLE A study of the possible indicators for specific learning difficulties in children with Asperger's syndrome
AUTHOR Martin N.
SOURCE Good Autism Practice, 2002, Vol. 3 (1), pp 58-62
ABSTRACT This paper looks at the profile of ten boys with Asperger syndrome who attend a mainstream primary school. The author found that all ten pupils showed signs of specific learning difficulties. She suggests that teaching staff need to be aware of this and gives general guidance on how staff might support these children.
YEAR PUBLISHED 2002
Still waiting for responses from three other contacts so please watch this space!
Actually Raeth, after doing some research myself you could fall into the category of hyperlexic, which is also common in people with AS. You can find hyperlexia on the net as well but don't take the indicators literally, it's like everything else individuals aren't text book cases :wink:
Actually Raeth, after doing some research myself you could fall into the category of hyperlexic, which is also common in people with AS. You can find hyperlexia on the net as well but don't take the indicators literally, it's like everything else individuals aren't text book cases
Looking at the general characteristics, I must say I think I'm just a good speller. 
You think I might be hyperlexic because I can spell reasonably? My grammar is hardly excellent...
You did exactly what I thought you'd do - researched hyperlexia and did the self diagnosis thing :wink:
Hyperlexia isn't simply being able to spell it's much more, when viewed in people with AS it's how we utilise language as well as the spelling, and how we use punctuation. When we write it is usually grammatically correct and with the punctuation in the right place, you can have hyperlexic traits without being a text book case. You can have Dyslexic traits, it's all a case of your ability to use words in the right context as well as being able to punctuate and spell.
Does that make sense?
WOW! Thanks for your answer davixen
You're very welcome, I don't think what I got was a lot to go on but am still waiting to hear back from a few people so it's a case of wait and see I'm afraid.
OK to settle the gripe I made some enquiries, this comes directly from Dr David Wood, retired tutor from Loughborough University.
therefore an apostrophe IS correct in NT's because it is an acronym, a mnemonic of Neurally Typical, an abbreviation etc. and an apostrophe or full stop is quite appropriate to denote an abbreviation in English Grammar
Any one want to argue with him? :wink: :lol:
Debs
Actually this is where it gets complicated, the use of full stops is no longer common when abreviating, so what was once i.e, now becomes ie. Therefore what he said was NT's is correct. I don't recall quoting him as saying it's N.T. or NT', because he answered my specific question about whether or not it was grammatically wrong to use of an apostrophe as a lot of people with AS seem to do when writing NT's. :?
If there are other questions it may be helpful to put them specifically and I can ask him those as well. :wink:
Debs
OK to settle the gripe I made some enquiries, this comes directly from Dr David Wood, retired tutor from Loughborough University.
therefore an apostrophe IS correct in NT's because it is an acronym, a mnemonic of Neurally Typical, an abbreviation etc. and an apostrophe or full stop is quite appropriate to denote an abbreviation in English Grammar
Any one want to argue with him? :wink: :lol:
Debs
Depends on what subject Dr Wood tutors in.
FYI the Apostrophe Protection Society states quite clearly that "Apostrophes are NEVER ever used to denote plurals!"
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm
OK to settle the gripe I made some enquiries, this comes directly from Dr David Wood, retired tutor from Loughborough University.
therefore an apostrophe IS correct in NT's because it is an acronym, a mnemonic of Neurally Typical, an abbreviation etc. and an apostrophe or full stop is quite appropriate to denote an abbreviation in English Grammar
Any one want to argue with him? :wink: :lol:
Debs
Depends on what subject Dr Wood tutors in.
FYI the Apostrophe Protection Society states quite clearly that "Apostrophes are NEVER ever used to denote plurals!"
http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm
I'm making this my last post on AFF, the one thing I find totally UN-Asperger's is the constant need to justify oneself, and to argue and or nit pick over others mistakes or misunderstandings on a place where we are supposedly free to be ourselves warts and all. We are no more able to be ourselves here than we are in the world around us because the criticism and nit picking is often as bad if not worse from other supposed Aspies than it can be from NT individuals.
For your information, Dr Wood is a published and well respected professional and I refuse to justify what he taught to satisfy nit pickers. Furthermore he simply responded to my request for help and as an NT I thought this kind that he should offer to clarify a question I asked of him.
Perhaps you need to go back and read what was posted, he nor I EVER said anything about plurals and your link actually provides support that using the apostrophe in NT's is correct - for example the dog's bone. We don't use the apostrophe to refer to them as plural just to describe behaviours belonging to them.
I have one final thought on all of this, it never ceases to amaze me that those who's first language is not English feel able to point out mistakes in our written English - I would NEVER disrespect a foreign national in this way who is in a position to know their Mother tongue in a way I would not be able to nor would I deem myself more knowledgable than they in that situation.
Perhaps you need to go back and read what was posted, he nor I EVER said anything about plurals and your link actually provides support that using the apostrophe in NT's is correct - for example the dog's bone.
I have gone back and read. The whole gist of the posting was about whether it was wrong to use an apostrophe to denote the plural of an acronym. The possessive apostrophe (as in Asperger's syndrome) was not under question.
I have one final thought on all of this, it never ceases to amaze me that those who's first language is not English feel able to point out mistakes in our written English - I would NEVER disrespect a foreign national in this way who is in a position to know their Mother tongue in a way I would not be able to nor would I deem myself more knowledgable than they in that situation.
Who are the non-English-speakers to whom you refer?
Seriously Debs, your expert is inconsistent insofar that apostrophes in this context are hardly the current accepted norm! It's either NT, N.T., or "N'T'"? Nope, I've never seen that last one, so this native Welshman who learnt English as my second language wonders where he got that from!
This caught my eye as I realised Raeth was right, and I'd been guilty of the error, so I did some thinking (it's a bad habit...). My error I suspect stems from the way I think "Entee" whan I consider this abreviation, and so feel a need to use an apostrophe to indicate the "absence" of the final "ee"!
That being so, it's strictly NTs from now on, or maybe N-ts, or...
Either way, let's please not fight over who's from where or who belongs to which language (and vice-versa)...isn't there already far to much of that in the world?
Not all of us here have english as their native language, so i think it's quite normal for me to make quite a lot mistakes.
Imagine you making posts in french or dutch...
Imagine you making posts in French or Dutch...
Si je fais un poste en français, je ne souleverais pas d'objections si on ferait remarquer mes erreurs. Au contraire, je prefererais savoir.
I have no objections either, on the contrary my english is improving thanks to these posts. You can always point out my mistakes, i can only learn
The main "problem" to me is vocabulary, i feel a bit restricted by the lack of depth in my english vocabulary.
