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Beware the 'cure' for depression, author says
February 24, 2010 Stuart Laidlaw
FAITH AND ETHICS REPORTER

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Gary Greenberg knows depression.

He once lay on the floor for hours watching dust drift through the sunbeams – for no other reason than getting up and looking "into my own black insides would just take too much effort."

But in his new book, Manufacturing Depression: the Secret History of a Modern Disease, the psychotherapist argues that identifying depression as a disease, as has become accepted practice among doctors and drug companies, is not only wrong, it's dangerous.

"The immediate effect is a kind of impoverishment of our understanding of ourselves and our suffering," says Greenberg in a telephone interview from Connecticut, where he lives and works.

By treating depression as a disease like any other – such as diabetes – as one drug company ad does, the expectation arises that there is one prescribed treatment that does not require getting to know the patients, their hopes or their fears.

"It turns patients into a kind of McNugget to be processed through the system," Greenberg says.

"Here's your drugs and your cognitive therapy and you come out a nice, shiny, happy guy."

While depression has become a huge business, with drug companies selling billions of dollars worth of antidepressants a year, Greenberg warns against conspiracy theories that Big Pharma invented depression as a way to sell more drugs.

Instead, he says, they capitalized on a movement in the mental health field to view depression as a disease. From there, he says, the drug companies, armed with well-paid ad men, stepped in with a "cure" in the form of anti-depressants.

"They certainly didn't make it up out of whole cloth, and they didn't make it up with evil intent," he says. "They're just doing what companies do."

Greenberg's book is a history of depression, marking its transition from a hushed-up affliction with patients hidden away in asylums to the subject of mass-marketing campaigns selling the idea that the only shame in depression is doing nothing about it.

Along the way, he says, much of the nuance of the mental health profession was lost.

Perhaps the patient, like Greenberg, grew up in a dysfunctional home with two parents who probably never should have married in the first place (or who, also like Greenberg, repeated the pattern with his own bad marriage).

At one point in the book, Greenberg enrols in a drug trial, just to see what it's like. The doctors ask Greenberg a series of formulaic questions, such as, "Have you been sad for two weeks?" – in order to diagnose him.

Turns out, Greenberg was more depressed than he realized, and was admitted to the trial. There were no questions about what was going on in his life that might account for his melancholy, and the doctors couldn't even get his name right.

They kept calling him "Greg." At first, it bothered Greenberg, but in the end he decided it didn't matter. The doctors weren't interested in him as an individual because it had no bearing on their diagnosis.

For that, all they needed were his answers to standardized questions.

"The industry is working hard to eliminate the human element from psychiatry," he writes. "But for now the best they can do is to circle the answers in a notebook and train practitioners to ignore what's in front of their faces."

And that, Greenberg says, tells you just about all you need to know about what's wrong with the way depression is diagnosed and treated today.

When depression is a disease, Greenberg says, the compulsion becomes to find a way to cure it – to find some way to fix the chemical imbalance that science says is causing the problem.

But that, Greenberg says, ignores the possibility that some people have good reason to be sad – a streak of bad luck, a traumatic event or unresolved issues with their families.

To call such people diseased is to miss the opportunity to genuinely help them, Greenberg says, through therapy and empathy.

In the end, however, he does not come down completely against medication as a way to treat depression, as long as the patients don't think they're "curing" a disease.

"There are lots of people who are taking these drugs, not because they really believe they were depressed, but because whatever transformation they bring helps them in their lives," he says.

"I don't have any problem with that."

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Probably the same will happen with autism/asperger's if there is a drug "cure".  Doctors will get good at diagnosing and writing a script.  Then we will be blamed for all our problems.  Actually I already am blamed for all my problems.
This is worse then finding a cure for getting rid of the extra chromasone...

M Wrote:
Probably the same will happen with autism/asperger's if there is a drug "cure".  Doctors will get good at diagnosing and writing a script.  Then we will be blamed for all our problems.  Actually I already am blamed for all my problems.


I have always been blamed for my problems. Then mum (very old now) holds out my sister as the best and me as defective. She thinks aspies is a disease that can be "cured" by the quacks. Right...

Then just to undermine me will always point out someone who has achieved something eg cousin began PhD and belittle my own by the simple expedient of saying "nothing special" of my own entry into the masters/doctorate program but say he is great. Right...

The cure for depression ruined my life, my body. As a result I am extremely overweight and also dependent on my meds. I am working hard to lose weight and get off meds completely. I want my old body back. I feel like I am not me anymore.
I just heard a program on NPR - yesterday (a national public radio station) non-commercial) new study/book or something publsihed// /  nyc.org

specifically about placebos.... and depression drugs....and how 20 years later the placebo drugs "cure" the depression more than double what they used to... (both the doctors and the patients report improvement) mind you-- on a sugar pill....

why is that.. a number of reasons...
one of the reasons is that it is hard to get people in studies so doctors "Stretch" the boundaries with questions and questionnares to  include people who ordinarily could not be...

as mentioned above in a post... 2 weeks sad=depression (NOT)

also the doctors are looking for improvement and doctors do not know which people are on palcebo and which are not... they are paid by the drug manuafcturors..etc., etc.,

sorry if this seems off topic... i think it applies
The "cure" for depression did so many horrible things to me, sadly my doctors though because I was acting out that I was bi-polar so I got a double dose of hell.

A severe adverse reaction with Geodon caused me a lot of problems

It caused me to pace for hours
It caused me to gain a lot of weight
It caused me insonmnia which ya know after staying up for days at a time turned me into a real pain in the rear end, cause I was in so much pain.
My arms turned inwards with my hands touching my armpits unless I forced them to move.
My tongue wouldn't stay in my mouth unless I pulled it back in.
My muscles in my lower back became so weak I couldn't stand up straight because my torso bent over.
I developed Scoliosis.
It got harder to sleep because my back hurt me so much.
I could hardly feed myself because I couldn't keep a hold of my utensils.
I lost control of my bladder at night and I woke up soaked every morning and during the day I would sometimes have accidents and it was humiliating living with three other guys.
Of a morning when I woke up I was fine but when I got the medication in me it sedated me and one day in my GED class I even had a one guy asked me to meet him in the bathroom so he could get some drugs off of me.

I had two adverse reactions to the Lithium
I had no saliva so I had to constantly drink
I gained weight because of it.

With all the weight I had gained I looked like an obese blue whale Sad The real sad part is I didn't need medication I needed help because I was depressed and acting out because I had been abused all my life and it really makes it hard to be happy and not lash out.
Cure for depression makes my life livable.

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While depression has become a huge business, with drug companies selling billions of dollars worth of antidepressants a year,


I guess you could just as easily replace the word, heart failure for the word depression here and it would be as equally true. And instead of antidepressants the drug companies are selling medications to treat heart disease.
The brain is another organ within the body, prone to malfunction just the same as any other organ within the body.

Difference is.... the huge stigma attached to mental illness and the idea that your failure to cope is your fault and you are in some way a weak person for not being able to sort yourself out without resorting to medications.

One of the best "cures" for depression is exercise (and not necessarily endless hours at the gym - jogging, cycling, swimming, etc).  Exercise releases hormones called endorphins which lift your mood.  Also, the exercise keeps you trimmer, and that in itself can be pleasing when you look in the mirror, or someone comments on it.


If your trigger is is set on low not even all the walking of the world gets you enoogh endorphines. and one needs to get up and get going first after all. those who I know (and are nT) are very thankful that they came out of the black hole that is depression especially if it is post natal depression or if you have kids generally. but maybe it has a different effect on austistic people.

jedi Wrote:
If your trigger is is set on low not even all the walking of the world gets you enoogh endorphines. and one needs to get up and get going first after all. those who I know (and are nT) are very thankful that they came out of the black hole that is depression especially if it is post natal depression or if you have kids generally. but maybe it has a different effect on austistic people.


Sure, but that's like saying you don't have the energy to get up and sign on to the internet when you're that depressed.  Or you can't be bothered to go to the doctor to discuss your depression with him/her, or can't be bothered to go out and get some groceries.  The energy's usually there, it's having the will to force yourself out of the house to do some exercise, and force yourself to build a cycle of exercise/better sleep/regular routines/etc.  We all know that relying on the medications long-term probably isn't ideal.

jedi Wrote:
If your trigger is is set on low not even all the walking of the world gets you enoogh endorphines.

I used to get out and cycle at least 15 miles a day (I know it doesn't sound like much, but my route was kind of hilly with lots of stop signs...really rough on the old knees).  While I generally felt better physically, I never experienced the "high" that others talk about.

Grrrrr....I accidentally hit "Post Reply" and didn't get finished editing within the five-minute window.

To finish my thought, I found it difficult to stay motivated under the circumstances, especially after moving to an area that's all dodgy shoulders, bar ditches, and 100MPH drunken rednecks.

Tried kayaking for awhile, pretty much the same story, but without the cardiovascular benefits...
I never got high from exercise.  I don't know what people are talking about.  

The not getting out and buying groceries etc.  I don't feel that just staying home not doing much is about depression.  It is rather that getting myself out of a normal routine is just bad for me.  Making decisions can sometimes be tough because most of them involve money.  When you can't decide whether to have tuna or macaroni for a meal because there are consequences is different than just not caring whether you are going to eat or not.  

What is angry and total frustration could be seen as depression in me???  I also get post traumatic stress.  I don't know if I have ever been clinically depressed.
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