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I used to love Space 1999, anyone remember that?
Yes. I really liked the character who could change into an animal or creature.
1.TNG

2.TOS-I only saw this in reruns, but it's still good.

3.Voyager

4.DS9

5. Enterprise-I never really liked that series, especially when compared with TNG and the original.

I also have every Star Trek movie at home.
TNG
Voyager
DS9
Enterprise
TOS

energeia Wrote:
So what's the original called? (i.e. what are the code initials in the preceding dialogue for this post)


Official designation for the original series is simply Star Trek or TOS (hence, The Original Series)...

As for the sound issue, here's a few bits of advice...

Space is never a complete vacuum. There's always some bits of matter in space, hence a tiny (but present) amount of 'atmosphere'. It may be a pressure in the order of microbars or something, but there's a pressure in space and if there's a pressure it's also possible to have pressure differences and variations -- hence sound. The only problem is that the human ear is simply not sensitive enough to get these minute variations, when the sound is transferred onto a ship's hull (vibrating matter bouncing off a ship's hull). Suppose they put ultra-ultra-ultra sensitive microphones in space... they'd probably pick up loads of noise from everwhere. Although I doubt they'd hear a ship 'whoosh'-ing by. Smile

enzo Wrote:
Funny you mentioning hydrogen in space.  Some co-workers and I were discussing this the other day and someone says there are hydrogen scoops located on the front of the nacelles.  Ever heard of that?

I know there are some real world hydrogen propulsion ideas based on large hydrogen scoops, but I didn't know this was used by any fictional Federation craft.


Yap. On the front of the nacelles there are the Bussard ramscoops (the round spherical thingys on the TOS nacelles) which collect both deuterium (for the main fusion engines) and antimatter (for the warp drive) drifting in space.

Logical paradox Wrote:
In deep space there is about 1 atom of hydrogen for every 10 feet (I belive that's correct I could be wrong) so even traveling faster than light (a problem in it's self) it couldn't make a sound, unless the Enterprise is venting a gas out into space in the process of traveling.


The atoms being tens or even hundreds of feet apart doesn't prevent them from interacting with each other. Gravitational forces can go a large distance even on the atomic level, although the intensity of the pressure waves would decrease rapidly. Doesn't mean it's nonexistent though, the current equipment available can't measure pressure differences in the order of nano- or picopascals (or less) since that's already way beyond their noise threshold.
Simply put: If we can't measure something, not instantly assume it's not there. This turned out to be the case with many things including the atom which is now general knowledge but they couldn't measure such a thing back in the '20's (scanning-tunneling microscopes weren't built back then) but still they theoreticized it would be present.

And the Enterprise is actually venting gas (plasma) when it's travelling at warp speeds. Remember Picard always chasing the ion trail of a baddie's ship? It's got to come from somewhere and since plasma (including warp plasma) is ionised gas, it would be a quick reasoning (although a little imagination is still required) that high-velocity, high-temperature gas (in ionised form) is pushed into the nacelles, it does its job (generate a warp field) and the excess matter (low-temperature, low pressure but still ionised gas particles) would be expelled out of the nacelle grilles. That's also the trails you see when Enterprise jumps to warp (both in the movies and on the Star Trek: Enterprise series).

Should I drop more (somewhat) interesting André Bormanis theorires here or should we keep it at this?
André's done a nice job on the whole Treknology issue, BTW. Anyone seen his new series Threshold? Brent Spiner in a totally different character Wink

Gizensha Wrote:

paigetheoracle Wrote:
With regards to gravity - in space no-one can hear you scream (sorry wrong film but perhaps that is what they meant - noise doesn't carry, so you wouldn't hear anything?).  Watching ships move about without creating a sound would be truthful but boring


Oh, I don't know. Some sci-fi's that do this have a sort of etherrealy beauty to them. Especially in battle scenes.

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and as for the gravity thing, too confusing to keep having the ships maneouvre in relation to each other (a comedy film okay but a serious idea like Star Trek?  No way!).


If you were designing ships for centrefugal gravity, they'd look nothing like the ships in Trek (which are all designed for gravity plating, which might be possable but I'm going off from my point here). For an example of what I mean - The human ship and station designs in Babylon 5 (which is generally acknowledged to have the most realistic ship designs within television sci-fis)


Babylon 5 is indeed one of the few shows which makes space travel and colonisation really credible. Also details like, all of the current nations and beliefs still exist in 2359, FTL drive isn't shipbound for the smaller ships (jumpgates are a very real concept, also used in Freelancer) and more things make Babylon 5 one of the best thought over sci-fi shows of the '90's. Also remember that the computer graphics they did back then can easily be reproduces by the current desktop systems... in real time! (just start up X3: Reunion or Freelancer and you'll see!)

The Firefly universe by Joss Whedon is also a very credible one, no aliens, no FTL travel, man has taken centuries to colonise one star system. Most of the technology you see shipboard (especially on Serenity) is actually scavenged from aircraft scrap yards. (I've actually got an aspiration to build a working (simulated) flight deck of Serenity one day)

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tenaciouscj Wrote:
Btw, has anybody heard the skit "Capt Picard at MdDonald's"? It's a scream!


Jean-Luc Picard humour Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMlKF54bp...ed&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7menX1ei...ed&search=

alectrum

I made a list of all the Ferengi rules of aquisition that have been mentioned, but then I lost the list.  Does anyone else have them?  (If possible including the revised rules of aquisition from Zek after he was de-evolved by the phrophets.)

alectrum

Lol.  As long as you show DS9 interspursed with the old series (very strong female characters in that), and of course Voyager then I don't see why not.  There's some good clean old fahsioned values in all the series's, optimism for the future of mankind, a moral compass, learning from mistakes, and some ideas to foster an interest in science to.

I'd make it a daily ritual must as a purely education tool.  Tongue

I'm biased though.  Big Grin

alectrum

Well - you could go through all the old Star Trek, then the Next Generation, then Voyager, then DS 9, then - what's the one after (I haven't got that one but the theme song starts "it's been a long road, getting from there to here..etc") and play the movies inbetween as and when they came out.

alectrum

Korrigan Wrote:

alectrum Wrote:
Well - you could go through all the old Star Trek, then the Next Generation, then Voyager, then DS 9, then - what's the one after (I haven't got that one but the theme song starts "it's been a long road, getting from there to here..etc") and play the movies inbetween as and when they came out.


Exactly our plan alectrum!


WOW!  Big Grin  Can I adopt you as a second mom Korrigan?  Wink

alectrum

Thanks - Smile  You brought this up cause I was angry.  ThanksSmile  I appreciate it.  I'll go look them up soon.

alectrum

I love the rules of acquisitionSmile

1  Once you have their money, you never give it back.  DS9: "The Nagus", "Heart of Stone"  
3  Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.  DS9: "The Maquis, Part II"  
6  Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.[1]  DS9: "The Nagus"; ENT: "Acquisition"  
7  Keep your ears open.  DS9: "In the Hands of the Prophets"  
9  Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.  DS9: "The Storyteller"  
10  Greed is eternal.  DS9: "Prophet Motive"; VOY: "False Profits"  
16  A deal is a deal.  DS9: "Melora"  
17  A contract is a contract is a contract... but only between Ferengi.  DS9: "Body Parts"  
18  A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.  DS9: "Heart of Stone"  
21  Never place friendship above profit.  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition"  
22  A wise man can hear profit in the wind.  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition"  
23  Nothing is more important than your health... except for your money.  ENT: "Acquisition"  
31  Never make fun of a Ferengi's mother.[2]  DS9: "The Siege"  
33  It never hurts to suck up to the boss.[3]  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition", "The Dogs of War"  
34  War is good for business... only from a distance, the closer to the front lines, the less profitable it gets.  DS9: "Destiny", "The Siege of AR-558"  
35  Peace is good for business.[4]  TNG: "The Perfect Mate"; DS9: "Destiny"  
45  Expand or die.[5]  ENT: "Acquisition"  
47  Never trust a man wearing a better suit than your own.  DS9: "Rivals"  
48  The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition"  
57  Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.  DS9: "Armageddon Game"  
59  Free advice is seldom cheap.  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition"  
62  The riskier the road, the greater the profit.  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition", "Little Green Men"  
74  Knowledge equals profit.  VOY: "Inside Man"  
75  Home is where the heart is, but the stars are made of latinum.  DS9: "Civil Defense"  
76  Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.  DS9: "The Homecoming"  
94  Females and finances don't mix.  DS9: "Ferengi Love Songs", "Profit and Lace"  
95  Expand or die.  VOY: "False Profits"; ENT: "Acquisition"[5]  
98  Every man has his price.  DS9: "In the Pale Moonlight"  
102  Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever.  DS9: "The Jem'Hadar"  
103  Sleep can interfere with your lust for latinum.[6]  DS9: "Rules of Acquisition"  
109  Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.  DS9: "Rivals"  
111  Treat people in your debt like family... exploit them.  DS9: "Past Tense, Part I", "The Darkness and the Light"  
112  Never have sex with the boss's sister.  DS9: "Playing God"  
125  You can't make a deal if you're dead.  DS9: "The Siege of AR-558"  
139  Wives serve, brothers inherit.  DS9: "Necessary Evil"  
168  Whisper your way to success.  DS9: "Treachery, Faith and the Great River"  
-  A man is only worth the sum of his possessions.[7]  ENT: "Acquisition"  
190  Hear all, trust nothing.  DS9: "Call to Arms"  
194  It's always good to know about new customers before they walk in your door.  DS9: "Whispers"  
203  New customers are like razor-toothed gree worms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they bite back.  DS9: "Little Green Men"  
208  Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.  DS9: "Ferengi Love Songs"  
211  Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.  DS9: "Bar Association"  
214  Never begin a negotiation on an empty stomach.  DS9: "The Maquis, Part I"  
217  You can't free a fish from water.  DS9: "Past Tense, Part I"  
229  Latinum lasts longer than lust.  DS9: "Ferengi Love Songs"  
239  Never be afraid to mislabel a product.[8]  DS9: "Body Parts"  
263  Never let doubt interfere with your lust for latinum.  DS9: "Bar Association"  
285  No good deed ever goes unpunished.  DS9: "The Collaborator", "The Sound of Her Voice"  

Unofficial Rules

The following sayings were either not given a number, not explicitly stated to be a Rule, or were not part of the generally-accepted canon by the Ferengi Commerce Authority.

Number  Rule  Source  

142  Only fools sell wholesale.  (See Rule #141)  
286  When Morn leaves, it's all over.  DS9: "The House of Quark"  
299  After you've exploited someone, it never hurts to thank them. That way, it's easier to exploit them next time.[9]  

VOY: "False Profits"  
—  Exploitation begins at home.  VOY: "False Profits"  
(The unwritten rule)  When no appropriate rule applies, make one up.  VOY: "False Profits"  
—  When the messenger comes to appropriate your profits... kill the messenger.  VOY: "False Profits"  
—  Time, like latinum, is a highly limited commodity.  DS9: "Bar Association"  
—  Always inspect the merchandise before making a deal.[10]  DS9: "The Abandoned"  
—  Money is money, but females are better.[11]  DS9: "Life Support"  
—  Why ask, when you can take?[12]  DS9: "Babel"  
—  A good lie is easier to believe than the truth.[13]
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