All of my ex girlfriends have complained that its like dating a guy, but in a woman's body. I have very few 'female' interests to the point that I often feel uncomfortable around women. Especially in groups. I only really get along with female Aspies or at least tomboyish women.
Guys also say I'm the coolest woman they've met 'because you don't do all that squealing sh*t'. I also understand guys much better and have given advice quite a few times to straight women at work who have complained about boyfriend problems.
Guys also say I'm the coolest woman they've met 'because you don't do all that squealing sh*t'.
I almost pissed myself laughing when I read that. It's so true... The high-pitched squealing noise that emanates from large groups of super-girly NT teenagers in shopping malls is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
If you think thats bad you should hear my Valley-girl on helium impression, I have a very... sarcastic voice IRL and it just looks feels and sounds wrong... as well as hurting the ears of those around me.
why the need for competition? and why do they pretend to be homosexuals?
How many straight NT males do you know who pretend to be gay? What planet are you from?
Incidentally, most 'homosexuals' dislike being called 'homosexuals'. We're human beings, not your 8th grade science project.
a lot of them make jokes about doing gay things.
Making jokes about doing gay things isn't the same as pretending to be gay.
I am a woman, I don't label myslef one way or the other nuerotype wise, I figure there is only one of everyone. I don't see that gender is important to me at all. I don't think of myself as a woman, by biologically I am a woman. I also don't think of myself as a man, because I am not.
However, I am more (stereotypically) male acting and relate better to males than females and I always have. Chit chat and group trips to the ladies room is a socail convention that I learned but I don't know if it is naturally a female thing. I can change a tire, throw a spiral, change the oil, operate a motorcycle, shoot weapons etc., because that is not a male or female thing, it is an education thing. Anyone can learn anything. I don't squeal or fuss over my appearance (not that there is anything wrong with that LOL) and I am very direct, not coy.
My husband used to get a little weird about how I don't differentiate between men and women with the way I act towards them. (when we were dating) I also don't change the way I act based on someone's age or looks. I should've, apparently, know better (I do now just for my husband's sake) then to stand as close to a man when speaking as with a women. Apparently as a woman you are supposed to break eye contact when talking to men, (especially if they are considered handsome) more than with women. I am allowed to hug and kiss as many women (freinds) as I'd like to (Social convention) but touching a mans arm when speaking to him is considered flirting. When I was younger I had no idea what I was transmitting to men (when they were looking to receive), but have since learned how to act more "lady like". [/b]
Making jokes about doing gay things isn't the same as pretending to be gay.
sometimes it can be. for example after i took my shirt off a coworker said i had a sexy body. this coming from a guy who i had an argument over about gays....he's a hardcore christian. he also cracks jokes about how when two male employees go off doing something alone (work related) that they're doing something homosexual. or he'll smile at you and touch you femininely. stuff like that.
No, its not. Pretending to be gay would be saying "I'm gay" when you're not.
Tbh it sounds like your co-worker has issues with his own sexual orientation. That is his individual problem.
Tbh it sounds like your co-worker has issues with his own sexual orientation. That is his individual problem.
Yeah I have a theory that he's in the closet. But I have noticed that many guys act like that. Then again, it might be that they're all in denial as well.
No, if guys playfight etc with each other, thats male bonding. By that same definition, women who kiss and hug each other are all pretending to be lesbian. And by that definition, I am obviously pretending to be straight because I'm a lesbian who wears make-up and skirts.
You are adhering to a stereotype of sexual behaviour attributed to sex roles. If my guy friends playfight with each other, compliment each others' attractiveness or talk about d*ck size, they're comfortable in their own sexual orientation. I can 'flirt' with men and express that a man is attractive because I'm comfortable in my own sexual orientation.
Instead of attempting to sexualise an individual in worrying about his sexual orientation, why not just accept that the expression of sexuality in a modern society is blurred and relatively fluid? The only people who preoccupy themselves worrying about the sexual orientation/sexual habits of others are the ones who have a lack of confidence in their own. I've seen two of my closest male friends kiss and I've seen plenty of straight women kiss. It doesn't make them gay or bi. It makes them someone that has kissed someone who happened to be of their own gender.
If I wanted to kiss a man tomorrow, big deal. I couldn't care less what fishwife is twitching her curtain commenting on my sexual orientation. Men flirt with men and women flirt with women and they are still straight. All your attitude does is perpetuate the stigma that if you do something that 'isn't heterosexual' then you must be batting for the other team. And its that attitude that helps retain the pressures faced by young men to 'act straight'. Its the reason why gay people describe themselves as 'straight acting'. The fact you point it out as 'acting gay' shows that you clearly have an idea in your head about what is 'gay behaviour'. You can be gay/bi and still retain this prissy BS attitude. I've been called 'the hettie best mate' by other lesbians plenty of times in bars because I don't adhere to the lesbian stereotype. Attitudes such as yours and my liking having long hair stops me getting laid.
There is no such thing as gay or straight behaviour. There is, however, bullsh*t concepts of sex role and sexual morality that some find incompatible with changes in modern culture. Whether or not they choose to accept that realisation or not is entirely their gain or loss.
Tbh it sounds like your co-worker has issues with his own sexual orientation. That is his individual problem.
Yeah I have a theory that he's in the closet. But I have noticed that many guys act like that. Then again, it might be that they're all in denial as well.
No, if guys playfight etc with each other, thats male bonding. By that same definition, women who kiss and hug each other are all pretending to be lesbian. And by that definition, I am obviously pretending to be straight because I'm a lesbian who wears make-up and skirts.
You are adhering to a stereotype of sexual behaviour attributed to sex roles. If my guy friends playfight with each other, compliment each others' attractiveness or talk about d*ck size, they're comfortable in their own sexual orientation. I can 'flirt' with men and express that a man is attractive because I'm comfortable in my own sexual orientation.
Instead of attempting to sexualise an individual in worrying about his sexual orientation, why not just accept that the expression of sexuality in a modern society is blurred and relatively fluid? The only people who preoccupy themselves worrying about the sexual orientation/sexual habits of others are the ones who have a lack of confidence in their own. I've seen two of my closest male friends kiss and I've seen plenty of straight women kiss. It doesn't make them gay or bi. It makes them someone that has kissed someone who happened to be of their own gender.
If I wanted to kiss a man tomorrow, big deal. I couldn't care less what fishwife is twitching her curtain commenting on my sexual orientation. Men flirt with men and women flirt with women and they are still straight. All your attitude does is perpetuate the stigma that if you do something that 'isn't heterosexual' then you must be batting for the other team. And its that attitude that helps retain the pressures faced by young men to 'act straight'. Its the reason why gay people describe themselves as 'straight acting'. The fact you point it out as 'acting gay' shows that you clearly have an idea in your head about what is 'gay behaviour'. You can be gay/bi and still retain this prissy BS attitude. I've been called 'the hettie best mate' by other lesbians plenty of times in bars because I don't adhere to the lesbian stereotype. Attitudes such as yours and my liking having long hair stops me getting laid.
There is no such thing as gay or straight behaviour. There is, however, bullsh*t concepts of sex role and sexual morality that some find incompatible with changes in modern culture. Whether or not they choose to accept that realisation or not is entirely their gain or loss.
*looks at floor*
yikes thats a lot of white chocolate 
You just like to argue, don't you?
No Ocampo doesn't
but what she doesn't like is the attitude that you are giving
I asked you nicely to let go of that attitude and I'm going to say it again
STOP!
stereotyping is wrong full stop
You just like to argue, don't you?
No Ocampo doesn't
but what she doesn't like is the attitude that you are giving
I asked you nicely to let go of that attitude and I'm going to say it again
STOP!
stereotyping is wrong full stop
I'm not stereotyping. I'm bonding
Yeah I have a theory that he's in the closet. But I have noticed that many guys act like that. Then again, it might be that they're all in denial as well.
that is stereotyping
because one guy acts like something you think all men are the same
stereotyping 101
You just like to argue, don't you?
Because comments like that really help make you look like you're agreeing with someone's pointing out where your attitude is wrong.
Mm-hm.
And incidentally, I don't like to 'argue', I dislike idiotic comments.
You do have a p*sspoor way of viewing 'gay' behaviour. You can be bisexual or gay and be just as homophobic. Sexual attraction to your own gender is no protection from holding homophobic views of gay people. I find your comments extremely distasteful and offensive and, to be frank, have seen nothing to indicate any acceptance that your attitude is wrong. Except some half-arsed attempt at something that is sheer antagonism towards me then cleverly disguised as 'agreement' when you get called out on it by other poster.
Like I said, it is precisely attitudes such as yours that has kept the acceptance of gay men more limited. Its attitudes such as yours that keeps lesbians still getting harassed in bars by sleazeball men who cannot accept that a woman can be feminine and a lesbian.
Its attitudes such as yours that get celebrities practically stalked for any glimpse of their presumed homosexuality because they don't fit into a box of gender conformity. Mika, Prince, Michelle Rodriguez... The latter actually being supposedly 'outed' in a magazine and having to post on her official website "I like men" in retilation. You don't 'act' straight - so you can't be straight!
Because acting like a bit of a queer means you must be a queer or have queer feelings, right? 
I'd go wash your own bedroom curtains before you peek through other people's.
I think all the things you people are listing aren't developmental "male traits", but the result of what happens when a female isn't receptive to the social cues that children get that urge them to fit into a gender stereotype.
I agree with what Callista says here.
My six year old son has expressed annoyance that there is no male equivalent of the female "tom boy", and has started referring to himself as a "tom girl". He is interested in what would be regarded as typically "girly" things - pink stuff, hair ribbons and clasps, games designed for and marketed at girls, make-up and so on.
What makes this even more interesting is that I was a tom boy, and still prioritise comfort over looks when it comes to clothes, I don't wear high heels, and I don't wear make-up. My son, on the other hand, is fascinated by make-up and would love to have his hair dyed pink. I bought him pink hair gel last year (but he doesn't like the texture of it, and sees it as a completely inadequate substitute) and have told him that he may wear make-up when he's 13. 
I've read a few times now that aspies tend to be more gender ambivalent (I think that's the term) and this definately seems to apply to my son.
When I was young I had a pet frog called Alistair!
Are canetoads those huge big things?
Yeah, I would say it's pretty much impossible for a child to grow up without experience of gender bias, as it's everywhere.
When my son was three I took him for one of his developmental checkups. This took place in the GP's surgery and after seeing the nurse, a woman, we went through to see one of the doctors who also happened to be a woman. My son marched into the consulting room, looked around, looked back at me and demanded to know where the doctor was. I told him that she was right there, sitting behind her desk. He took one look at her, turned back to me and announced that she couldn't be the doctor as "ladies can't be doctors"!!!! Aaaaargh!
My granny was a doctor!!