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IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Blacks are the best runners, Jews are the best salesmen, East-Asians are the most spiritually advanced and whites are the most creative. East-Asians, Jews and white people also have superior cognitive abilities to other racial groups.


When I was a kid, the man that swept the streets -- an avowed Klansman with a third grade education and a drinking problem -- told me the same thing. I guess the great supremacist minds all know the great truths.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
I can't believe it took you this long to make a not terribly subtile gays - pedophiles post.


Both are sexual deviancies. I don't like to mention them in one breath, though


But of course you did.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
A really first-rate supremacist would have done that within six posts of the races = breeds garbage.


You see?! How often do I need to explain to you that I'm not a supremacist before you get that through that think skull of yours?!


Well, my great-grandfather was black, so I probably can't understand all this genius stuff -- you know, since our resident non-supremacist has declared black people intellectually inferior... Rolleyes

Illusion was comparing homosexuality to other "deviances."  (not only sexual variation, unless there's something I don't know about cojoined twins.)

He could just as well have used neutral, non-inflammatory examples like left-handedness or attached ear lobes. But he didn't. He chose the most frequently used, most derogatory smear by association that bigots use against gays: "pedophile." That was either rhetorically intentional, or it reveals that the connection exists in his mind and on the tip of his tongue.

If it is not as explicit as his pronunciation of inherent racial inferiority, it is nonetheless an unmistakable implicit anti-gay smear. His later back-tracking (gee, I shouldn't have put those two things together in a sentence -- I have no idea how that happened) indicates that even Illusion knew how it came across.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Pikajedi5 Wrote:
Deviance is a loaded word.

although in the literal sense, it means "difference from the norm", I would highly suggest that you try a rephrase.


"Abnormal" is even more loaded. Deviant is the most neutral term that I know in the English language for this particular meaning. If you know a better equivalent feel free to mention it.


"Naturally occurring variation"

Interesting book, by the way, on this sort of nonsense.

Simen Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
Illusion was comparing homosexuality to other "deviances."  (not only sexual variation, unless there's something I don't know about cojoined twins.)

He could just as well have used neutral, non-inflammatory examples like left-handedness or attached ear lobes. But he didn't. He chose the most frequently used, most derogatory smear by association that bigots use against gays: "pedophile." That was either rhetorically intentional, or it reveals that the connection exists in his mind and on the tip of his tongue.

If it is not as explicit as his pronunciation of inherent racial inferiority, it is nonetheless an unmistakable implicit anti-gay smear. His later back-tracking (gee, I shouldn't have put those two things together in a sentence -- I have no idea how that happened) indicates that even Illusion knew how it came across.


Knee-jerk reactions. They're getting old. You don't have to take offense at everything he says. It seems to me that you're just looking for ways to get angry. If Illusion is a troll, as you seem to think, you're giving him the reaction he wants. And if he isn't, you're being unfair. Why does everyone on this forum always jump to the worst possible conclusion? I think discussions here would be a lot more pleasant if people would ask for clarification as to intended meaning, or better yet, make more charitable interpretations, before they go on a rant about how the poster is bigoted, supremacist, racist, homophobe, etc.


You are wrong.

ocampo Wrote:

Simen Wrote:

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Black people aren't intellectually inferior per se. There are some highly intelligent blacks out there, just like there are moronic whites or East-Asians out there. Studies and experience show, however, that the average intelligence level of black man is significantly lower than that of certain other racial groups.


Can you cite these studies?


It also leaves out the social problems that ethnic minorities face and the prejudice against them in the classroom.


He can cite all sorts of "studies." The pseudo-science of racial inferiority has been quite an industry for a long time. The 'eugenics' movement was actually a generously funded enterprise in America well before the Nazis took it to its "rational" conclusion.

Simen Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
You are wrong.


Why?


Probably due to your rhetorical tone-deafness and lack of comprehension that language has broad and complex meanings that can't be reduced to exercises in formal logic.

Simen Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:

Simen Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
You are wrong.


Why?


Probably due to your rhetorical tone-deafness and lack of comprehension that language has broad and complex meanings that can't be reduced to exercises in formal logic.


Both I, Illusion and Pikajedi understood the charitable and correct interpretation, yet you keep insisting that your knee-jerk reaction is correct. Even after clarifications. Astonishing.


If you don't understand it, it's dismissed as "knee-jerk."

Not astonishing at all.

Simen Wrote:
Your post wasn't based on an actual understanding on the post you were replying to, but on what I can only guess was an emotional response to seeing pedophile and homosexual in the same sentence. Hence "knee-jerk". I can see why Illusion feels demonised.


Simen, I explained perfectly well, in a way that would be readily understood by anyone capable of understanding . My inability to make you understand that which you cannot understand doesn't mean I'm wrong; it just means you're incapable of understanding. I have seen you bang your head against the same sort of situation in thread after thread.

The reason, Simen, I have not joined in on the widespread discussion of your many, many, many obnoxious posts is that I recognize you have a profound deficit in understanding nuances of language. Understandably, you have developed the defensive stance that such nuances do not exist or should not exist, or perhaps that they are some obstinate fantasy concocted by inferior minds. I assume that is more comfortable for you than the acknowledgment of your own deficit, which is also understandable. So I have seen no gain in trying to make you conform to socio-linguistic conventions and structures you simply cannot grasp.

A parallel might be that I am dyslexic and I were to spend an inordinate amount of time attacking people for their idiotic adherence to arbitrary spelling rules. But in the real world, it's not about whether or not spelling rules constitute some sort of unjustifiable tyrany [sic]over creative spellers, it's about my own deficit: dyslexia.

Similarly, your inability to understand what a great number of people have tried to explain to you is not about their being wrong, it is about your deficit.

Feel free to say I am wrong, Simen. I know it will look that way to you, and that you will sincerely believe -- because you need to believe -- that only you can be right.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

I suggest you take a look at for eg. the research of J. Philippe Rushton and Richard Lynn.


J. Philippe Rushton contends that there is an inverse relationship between intelligence and penis size. If this is true, Illusion at last has reliable evidence that he is a genius and I am an idiot.

Richard Lynn is simply a joke.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

Do you realise that this is exactly the sort of approach taken by the Third Reich?


That does it, I'm calling the Irony Police and filing charges.

And, by the way, Pikajedi5... I think you know the proper respone on this one... Wink

Simen Wrote:

I understand perfectly well that people invest different meanings in different words, it's just that I don't take responsibility for the fact that people choose to invest some words and phrases with meanings that aren't there.


This is a very predictable response and demonstrates exactly what I said. You insist that what you can't see don't exist. That is more comfortable for you than facing the fact that there is so much that you don't see.

Simen Wrote:
It's only on this forum that words take on these new meanings that normal discourse doesn't ever unearth. It's only on this forum that people are sensitive to words you see used perfectly well in the outside world.


That, of course, is a completely irrational and nonsensical little rant -- exactly the sort of thing you criticize others for.

Simen Wrote:
On the other hand, I'm wondering whether you are capable of reading what people actually write and envisioning what it is they're saying...


Since that's exactly what you're incapable of doing, you're not really an expert on the process, are you? I recognize your response as an angry, emotional reaction with no connection to reality, so I don't take it personally.

honestjohn Wrote:

... - or am I imaging things?


That would be a generous explanation. Let's go with that.

Simen Wrote:
Max, do you enjoy doing this? You set it up so that whatever I say, you can just say, "that proves my point", then you sit and laugh. You tell me repeatedly I'm wrong but you don't even attempt to explain it. And of course, you tell me that I don't understand just because I disagree with you. And you accuse me of being unable to understand what others say, when in fact clarifications (as well as other posters) have made it clear that my interpretation was correct.

I don't know what to say to you, other than that I find your contributions to this thread, and especially your exchange with me, to be of incredibly low quality. I guess that doesn't surprise you. Bully on, brother. I bet you like it.


I explained it. You didn't understand it. I knew you wouldn't because I know you couldn't. There's nothing I can do to change that, Simen, and nothing you can do. I don't take that personally and I don't hold it against you. Nor have I said silly, angry things to you as you have to me.

Your calling my posts "low quality" neither surprises me nor involves me. It's a pissy little defensive remark that has nothing to do with me.

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