Aspies For Freedom

A few days ago, I started this thread in an attempt to promote mutual respect and tolerance and to get an idea how tolerant people on this site really are. I noticed that those who tend to preach tolerance all the time often are intolerant hatemongers themselves with regards to people who don't share their views.

The end result of this thread only confirmed the latter. In spite of my call for tolerance, I was being called all kinds of names by a bunch of flaming liberals who behaved in the most obnoxious and intolerant way, while they - ironicly - accused me of intolerance. The reason for this apparently is my stating that :
* ) homosexuality is a deviance
* ) multi-culturalism is bunk
* ) wicca is bunk

All of these are statements for which I can provide rational arguments. None of these are based on prejudice and none of these were intended to offend anyone. Nevertheless, when I made either of these statements it felt like I just opened the gates of hell. Some people out here go as far as not even allowing another person to say that it's utter rubbish to believe the world was created in seven days. Go figure !

It wasn't just this one thread, by the way. In this thread, it was exactly alike. It shocked me to see how this bunch of arrogant and narrowminded flaming liberals just kept shouting one insult after another and EvilZakkie even defended them. In fact, he accused me of "racism" and "homophobia" too while ignoring the entire tantrum of insults in my direction and while ignoring the fact that I made several statements that cannot be reconciled with racism and homophobia by any means. I've rarely never seen such an obvious double standard among the moderator of a forum.

Nevertheless, various members contacted me via PM with kind words of support and statements that this is not the first time these people have been behaving in such a way. According to them, I'm not nearly the first victim of their terror and they've been screwing up the atmosphere at this forum for quite some time. Considering various of these people are NT or borderline NT, that makes it even more questionable. These folks behavior is almost identical to that of the bullies many of us had to face in high school and AFF should not be a place where such behavior is tolerated.

I thought that AFF was a place by AS people for AS people, but with all the obnoxious NT-like behavior this place is anything but what I expected. Considering I'm not the only AS who feels that way, I'd like to see this issue openly discussed.

I added an anonymous poll so those who agree with me can voice their opinion without any risk of repercussions.

Ahh see, I read that as a collective "you" not aimed at you dogbrain.
Simen, people are hyper-explicit on the word "you" some read it as them, particularly if they just posted.

One should use "one" when people are all upset.

Ironic isn't it.

Oh, I just decided to vote.  No opinion, because what has been going on I do not consider a reign of terror.
Perhaps birthing pains?

For clarification sake, are you saying that I am emotional?  I have never, ever, ever, criticized anyone on here and am polite always. I do not DEMAND any rights for myself.

I am the opposite of emotional.  I am circumspect.  I have never derailed a thread - the to be honest thread does not count as a thread or casued by me, it was a runaway train thread etc.,  The only time I unlocked my emotions and any critical analysis was one day - on that one thread - and specifically for one hour, towards one person.  I dished out to someone who dished out to everyone else, (because I was being thrown in and classified with someone by default/mischarecterization and a misquote or two on top) and thought just this once I'll speak up for myself.  

I just wanted to say that the only thing that Korrigan and I have in common is that we are women, married(for 14 years), similar ages (I am 37) and are mothers to 8 year old daughters. I have two boys also. The way I conduct myself is in stark contrast, save for one time I didn't let things slide.  I have never complained or about being attacked or frustrated and it was not I who made up a thread that "all AS people make me want to vomit" parody or not.

I bring this up because for some on here, they have the privelege of being allowed to vent - parody or not - or debate, or change position, or grow, because they have social skills and have friends on AFF.  Why not equal treatment for all - and yes, I say again - sometimes more so for those in the spectrum, who do not have the experiences that make them "perfect" in figuring out what is and is not allowed/expected, or G*d forbid, tolerated.  Sometimes it takes trial and error or a bit of understanding from the larger group to see a different perspective.  Unlike some, being able to see a different perspective means nothing to me, it is not the be all end all, I don't know if my son will ever be able to do that.  I know in a emotionally charged, witch-hunt environment he would not even put a toe in the water, much less swim.
Does AFF afford Rights to all, including the minority, like it's mission statement aspires to, or are they mere priveleges.

privelege: definition:  a special right or advantage;to grant someone special favor to; enjoying a special right or immunity


sorry so long, but if I try to be brief I have to use really big words and the meanings can be taken to liberally. I tried being more brief lately and apparently I am always too confusing for Korrigan to understand.  Our brains must just work differently or something.

AGainst whom? Many folks on here have been quite liberal with language and misquoting.  I did not see anything at all clear here. I hope you'll look more clearly for intent.

that is truth.

I think I see what you are getting at now; the way that nations are appeasing immigrants more than natives?

whilst in some cases, this is true, it is not true in all of them.

however, I think I now know what you are going on about.

however, the way you have approached the subject, and gotten your point across, has, thus far, been clumsy and inept.

try...restating your points, but bulleted.

Korrigan called me delusional, and disningenuine. I guess that is okay?
How about the other thread where people all are using bad words - telling others to shut the ---- up, etc., ? equality treatment anyone?

Ethel, which thread was *** on? your paganism thread? I went on for 5 days and 50 pots until ocampo posted this:
What is the difference between paganism and Wicca? I'm confused because I thought they were the same things... or kinda the same things. Or something. Um.

Anyway I'm a Christian fundamentalist who thinks homosexuals are evil, interracial relationships are SICK and Catholicism is a BIG FAT LIE. I <3 God and Jerry Falwell!!!!1!!

and then went on like threads do, tangenting and worse.  More than one person *** on that thread.  or none did.


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EVILZAKKIE: The precendents were set, the emotions were high.  The behaviors of many were unusual, even deviant.  How about that the word devaint means:
definition of deviant: de·vi·ant (dē′vē ənt)

adjective

deviating, esp. from what is considered normal in a group or for a society - Synonym, atypical, unusual.

okay, definition of normal: conforming to type or law / from the word norm, a standard type or pattern

atypical< not typical, abnormal

abnormal: contrary to rule or system, deviating from a recongnized standard, exceptional.


and UNPROVOKED? I think the worst thing he said was the word bunk (BUT I do not keep track, on purpose looking to pounce on errors)


The thread title: liberal reign of terror...
Perhaps people self-identify with that? Where is the bad word, liberal? (The word liberal is NOT a bad word, reign of terror, well that sounds alot better than a thread titel saying "Don't aspies people make you want to vomit? " making a new thread, to figure out the "culture" here and who agrees disagrees, is that like when orssco wanted to see who agreed if Timlowrd was "crazy" or what ever word he used.  It seemed exactly like when AFF wants to disagree with Autism speaks and make up a t-shirt in protest.  I guess I'll reread the first post, did he namecall?

Had anyone "reported" my being called delusional and worse?
Don't answer, I don't care. I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of intolerance for no good reason, but only in internet land and that can't actually hurt me so I am fine.

In olden days, the "blue bloods" (elite) became that way, um, by incest. They also go to keep their land in their family. (For a while)

I read that once, and then reread it, that I think was not his words, he was quoting another source. From history, some group's original roots.  Like here in the US, where my moms people had roots in slavery, and my dads in concentration camps in the holcaust. History.

Tigger, what thread was this: And I would like to point out his neuro-supremacy in the first post too - using 'NT' or 'border-line NT' as reasons why people should not be allowed to post."

I like being different - normal, even atypical. Thinking or communicating differently than the norm sometimes that is just how it is. There are so many words that can be taken in multiple ways.  SOme people in some areas of the world, or depending on ones age etc., feel more emotional about words (from the past, first hand experience).  Or, read intent into words, or see some words as derogatory.  
For example, the word "geek", my middle son thinks that geek, means smart, and he said yesterday that he'd like to work on the "geek squad" someday, like at the electronics store he visited yesterday (with my husband) while getting his Ipod exchanged.
He asked me about the word, googled it, and then later on he said, at night - "I hope I am considered a geek, they focus on learning and then get all the girls" (he is 9)

Ok, I'm nitpicking here, but 'for e.g.' means 'for for example' and is right up there with 'knots per hour' on the list of things you shouldn't say.

Also, you claimed you are being prosecuted in the say way Jews were in Nazi Germany.  That is pretty close to the top of the list in terms of rhetoric that should NEVER BE USED.  You are not communicating well, Illusion.  Please forget all this prosecution stuff and attempt to back up you're racist comments (we are not going to buy books just to understand what you're talking about) and we'll see if we can regain some respect for you.

Because I couldn not answer every question raised.  Who has the time and imagine how long I'd have to type? I was focusing on priorities as much as possible.   A priority, due to time issues, and because like you said I am hardly any kind of expert on why people say the things they do.  I am focusing on the big picture.  If I am asked specifically, I do answer.  I find some topics difficult to answer with any kind of brevity and get picked on for my tangents and digressions.  (like this one here: I iuse digressions for clarity sakes - how ironic?!)
And that what we do here is opinions , that is ironic.