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I came across an article in the newspaper about a parents child is taking another parents child to court to gain a restraining order against the bully.

This action is not supported by the education department in queensland who contends such things should not happen since the teachers take care of it. (yeah sure)

A psychologist has weighed into it to say bullying should be made a criminal offence due to the lifelong effect on a child.

Currently there is no law that prevents bulling in the schools in Queensland.

My opinion is there should be strict antibullying laws with consequences for the parents if not a once off and corrected. Apparently the child doing the bullying has been suspended numerous times but is still there.
Is it me or does it seem like bullying in other countires such as America and Australia is taken more seriously. In England many people think that bullying should be an experience for children to toughen up. However, thats probably the reason why schools in England doesn't take bullying that seriously.

earthmonkey Wrote:
eh, I live in America and had terrible experiences with the school not acting about my bullying, which included physical violence as well as verbal harassment and stealing and sexual assault, but I had long been used to bullying, and the counselor talked me out of speaking out, threatening institutions on me, and I started to blame myself, as she justified the bullying because I am weird, don't dress like popular kids, and should "expect" to be made fun of for having bizarre seizures.

So while I can only speak of a particular counselor in a particular school in California, this sort of stuff goes on all the time, in most places, to varying degrees. I was even prevented from filing an incident report, while one day that I was confined to her office during lunch, a police officer came to school grounds to bust some girls who were doing pot. What kind of crazy justice is that?


Earthmonkey, I apologise to you for making that generalisation about the comparison between American and England, just that there is a British attitude that students should tolerate being picked on by others. Also I felt bad as what the counsellor had done to you to keep you quiet about you being a victim of bullying, I had faced a similar situation for a few years as a few staff members, including my former tutor, trying to stop myself from defending myself from my bullies by being manipulative. They had told me I was being paranoid, misinterpreted  the bullies, and also they always put me in the same space as my tormentors just to break my will to fight against them. Always the teachers make me out that I making students lives a misery and called my mom in for that. However, I moved class after I was provoked in a physical fight for the first time ever and my new tutor and new friends helped me to defend myself from the bullies. Are your bullying problems sorted, EM?

Joel Marx Wrote:
Is it me or does it seem like bullying in other countires such as America and Australia is taken more seriously. In England many people think that bullying should be an experience for children to toughen up. However, thats probably the reason why schools in England doesn't take bullying that seriously.

In Australia, bullying is not taken seriously and gives the impression it is needed to toughen up the child. With no laws against there is little that can be done and most public school teachers appear not to care less from my brief stint as a pre-service teacher.

This applies to bullying in the workplace as well. But at least one can have access to assault laws or antistalking if physical. But I'm of the opinion most workplaces are the natural habitat of psychopaths.SmileSmile

Bullying in workplaces, according to one study I came across says it cost businesses in Australia some 36,000,000,000 AUD a year in lost productivity, stress, claims etc. to business. A very serious issue. Nip it in the bud at school with an antibullying law and everyone benefits.

micgrace Wrote:
Bullying in workplaces, according to one study I came across says it cost businesses in Australia some 36,000,000,000 AUD a year in lost productivity, stress, claims etc. to business. A very serious issue. Nip it in the bud at school with an antibullying law and everyone benefits.


Probably that’s why bullying within schools weren't taken that seriously. However, this is one of the main reasons for truancy within England.

Naturally if you were being bullied the obvious reaction would be to avoid it. Hence truancy. When will that antique institution called public education learn? NOT.
And I'm of the opinion that some people teaching do so as it gives them a chance to show their authority to parents / children / work collegues. This is what I call the organisational psychopath. They revel in bullying. The maths HOD where I was had the entire teaching staff cowering in fear on a daily basis. Staff absentism and truancy was at high levels. And one could see the children were terrified of this person.

Everyone pretended to be friends with the HOD so they wouldn't get it in the neck.

I'm sure this persons motto was my way or the highway. Question is, who would you go to in such a situation? Probably why heaps of teachers are on stress leave in Education Queensland. As for the children, they can't get out of there quick enough.

Bullying is endemic to public schools regardless of whether you are an employee or student.
My sons, one and only topic, day after day, after day, even one week into summer.
Bullying, it is his "special interest".

Bullying and the nice world of mario nintendo.  Will no one ever reply to his MARio thread.  He is Super JK, and his brother is Luigi Bro, be nice please. (I hope you'll consider not posting if your signatures are not G rated)

micgrace Wrote:
And I'm of the opinion that some people teaching do so as it gives them a chance to show their authority to parents / children / work collegues. This is what I call the organisational psychopath. They revel in bullying. The maths HOD where I was had the entire teaching staff cowering in fear on a daily basis. Staff absentism and truancy was at high levels. And one could see the children were terrified of this person.

Everyone pretended to be friends with the HOD so they wouldn't get it in the neck.

I'm sure this persons motto was my way or the highway. Question is, who would you go to in such a situation? Probably why heaps of teachers are on stress leave in Education Queensland. As for the children, they can't get out of there quick enough.

Bullying is endemic to public schools regardless of whether you are an employee or student.



You are right, it does not happen in any of the 3 private schools my kids have been in.  It is the public domains problem.

This thing that bullying toughens up people is a load of bullshit (excuse my language) people need to realise that bullying can badly affect people. I get the feeling that schools just don't care and something needs to be done about it.

Escapist Wrote:
This thing that bullying toughens up people is a load of bullshit (excuse my language) people need to realise that bullying can badly affect people. I get the feeling that schools just don't care and something needs to be done about it.

In fact the bullying appears to be a national pastime in Australia. "Toughen you up for the real world". Case in point, NIL legislation outlawing it whether at work, school or socially. Its a national disgrace.

To add insult to injury young male / female suicide is one of the worst in the western world.

This needs to change.

@micgrace: I absolutely agree with you.

micgrace Wrote:
I might add the kid who fights back to the bully gets the suspension not the bully. I must say that compounds it. Double punishment. So the message comes through, be a bully your victim will get into trouble and not you. Horrible.

If the bully got into trouble and not the victim I think it would change fast. But how?


A kid my son was saying X was a bully towards others...
Eventually X was "rough-housing" in the hallways with a "friend" and crashed another kid "by mistake" into a a locker - in front of my son.  Well the kid left on a stretcher and took an ambulance ride to get stitches in his head.  My aspie son knows the "rules" are no rough housing. He took note that X was in school the next day, so said my son.  I called the principal, and the principal told me the kid would be suspended (he hadn't done it yet).  The kid never was. I Inquired as did other parents, all items in quotes are responses of the administration, "X's parents felt that accidents happen and his permanent record should not be affected" also, "X felt really bad" "he was crying the next day in my office" (said the principal to me when I followed up).
AND he was made the Student of the month, that month. ("he needed a confidence booster from all the fuss")

My (aspie) son balks at going into a school run by that mentality. They think that makes him "paranoid".  I think that makes him smart.

Here a link to The National Conference of State Legislatures.



http://www.ncsl.org/programs/educ/SchBullying.htm
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