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IlluSionS667 Wrote:
I'm not only a high-functioning Aspie, but as a traditionalist and Conservative Revolutionary I also have a very non-conventional view of the world.
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I've been called anything from racist, antisemite, idiot, narrowminded, neonazi, etc.

Therefore I'd like to know how tolerant you guys are?


And we would like to know how tolerant you are.

So share with us your traditionalist / Conservative Revolutionary theories on

racial differences

the deviance of homosexuals

immigrants

... you know. Enlighten us.

Ethel Wrote:
 Firefox (it's free) has an automatic spell checker (also free) which saves me a lot of angst.


YES! That's why I use firefox. Without it, evetyone can tell I'm dlsixiks.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

I've been called anything from racist, antisemite, idiot, narrowminded, neonazi, etc. just for ..


...Just for being a racist, antisemitic, narrowminded idiot.

Funny how that happens, isn't it.

Gay people are inferior deviants....

The races should not mix...

It's interesting that your Conservative Revolutionary forefathers opposed the Nazis without being ethically or morally suoperior to them.

Though technically not neo-Nazis, it is a distinction without a difference and appeals to the same sort of national and racial supremacists.

The appeal of your philosophy is to weak hateful people who worship authoritarian militarism to make up for their profound human lackings.

Your hatred of gay people, non-Aryans, NY's and women aren't welcome here.

You are a troll. You will be banned, just as you have been banned elsewhere.

hyke Wrote:
Tolerate
1 to allow (something one does not agree with) to be practised or done freely without opposition; permit
2 to suffer (someone or something) without complaining: I can't tolerate your bad manners any longer

That's what I find in the Longman dictionary.

The word tolerance is used for opinions that you don't like, as well as for pain. So it is indeed suffering.

I don't like the word tolerate. It is condescending and patronizing to me.


Totally agree. As I've been involved in the re-writing of educational policies throughout California, I hold a hard line against use of the words "tolerate" and "tolerance."

As Stephen Sondheim wrote in "A Little Night Music":

As I've

often stated

it's intolerable

being tolerated...

Well, being a doormat doesn't help the arseholes, either, does it? They're just learning how to abuse people, and that's not a good thing for anyone to learn.

There's a big difference between helping and enabling. Sometimes, when you "help" someone, you are actually hurting them.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

I was describing the situation of (male) homosexuals in Viking era, where they were tolerated but also had a lower social status. This, because manliness was considered an important trait for males and homosexuals (at least those who take the female role in a homosexual relationship and those who behaved very feminine) were regarded as less manly. Somewhere I stated that I wouldn't mind that the viking approach to homosexuality was incorperated in modern life because it was both tolerant towards them while also focussing on the importance of the family, procreation and gender roles. It is in line with both personal freedom and tradition.


Thje vikings have an excuse for their ignorance. You don't.

Do explain to us what you mean by "manliness." And please post your resume that rates you respectably on that idiotic criterion.

As for family, I have a family. As for procreation, I have five kids (not adopted, good ol' biologically procreated.)

Obviously, you're a racist, a xenophobe and a homophobe who sees people of those targeted groups as inferior, second-class creatures, so you've dredged up some ignorant, failed political philosophy to justify it.

And anyone who disagrees with your bigotry is "close-minded."

BUSTED!

Good catch, Hyke!
Don't pretend to be complex, troll.

Homosexuals should be regarded as being of an inferior status.

Races should not mix.

Intolerance of intolerance is intolerant.

There's nothing "nuanced" about your tiresome bigotry.

And don't worry about my kids. I'll take them to a cross-burning some time so they'll understand your complex and highly moral philosophy.

Tell us about the homosexual propaganda.
Ocampo, shame on us.

We should be more open minded.

After all, we don't want to be mean and intolerant...




I think Illusion is the one in the middle in the pretty red robe...
Is it just me, or do those KKK robes look really, really silly to anyone else? I mean... guys in dresses?
"What bothers me about liberals, is that they somehow can't seem to figure that you don't have to see something as "normal" or "equal" to appreciate or respect it as much as anything else."

What bothers me about reactionaries is that they don't know what "normal" and "equal" mean.

Viewing classes of people as inferior and abnormal is the definition of racist, homophobic, sexist and xenophobic. Your obnoxious and condescending stance "I treat my inferiors well" is classic self-aggrandizing bigotry.

I'm amused that you refer to some cultures and people as "primitive" while your ignorant concept of homosexuality is planted firmly in the 19th century. The idiotic concept that gay men are not like men, they are like women --aside from being assinine and easily discredited -- carries with it the idea that, if it were true, being 'like women" is a stigmatized and inferior state. Homophobia is impossible to separate from sexism.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:
Third, unlike people like ocampo or Maxbear I don't make my judgements based on prejudice but on rational thought.



A person with any knowledge of how prejudice works recognizes this canard. Ideological supremacists, of course, structure their beliefs around their prejudices, then declare them purely rational. Everyone who does not share their prejudices is, of course, irrational.

And the only examples of irrational people this troll could find are the by-definition-inferior, abnormal, deviant "homosexuals."

And Dr. Spock was a best-selling expert on child care and an anti-war activist.

Mr. Spock was a character on Star Trek.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

earthmonkey Wrote:
No one's saying that everyone should become gay, even if it were possible.


They are promoting it as something cool and normal, which makes a lot of teenagers experiment with homosexuality who would otherwise not even have thought of the idea. As a consequences, many people unnecessarilly go through the more horrible identity crises for no reason whatsoever.


Heh. Wow, of all my involvement in gay advocacy groups, and gay-straight alliances, and my gay friends and myself, I've never heard any of us describe it as "cool" or "normal". (Actually, with regards to normal, actually I have heard it, though in the "natural variation" sense rather than statistically.) Much like I wouldn't describe being autistic as "normal" or any more "cool" than being NT - though it's a natural variation that should be respected for those with it and not be looked at as defective.

Also, you speak of rational arguments, and facts, in discourse, so surely you should be able to pony up some facts to the effect of:

IlluSionS667 Wrote:
a lot of teenagers experiment with homosexuality who would otherwise not even have thought of the idea.


Some people are on the verge of bisexual when younger, but then realize that in fact they're straight, or realize that they're gay, and some realize that they are in fact bisexual. The only difference between these identity crises and what would be there if it weren't for gay advocacy, is that those who were unsure would feel even more pressure to "aim for straight" regardless of where they are on the sexuality spectrum, as they wouldn't have a supportive voice for them.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:

earthmonkey Wrote:
The problem is the statement I italicized, which is NOT a "simple fact". Most research indicates the opposite.


In every single human civilisation, the marriage between a man and a woman has been the norm. Sometimes it's more men for one woman and sometimes it's the other way around, but homosexual relationships have always and everywhere been a deviance.


No one contests that heterosexual relationships are the statistical norm. And something being considered a deviance by a society doesn't mean that it's a "simple fact" - for instance autistics are considered deviant, not so much morally but in terms of neurological wiring - still considered defective by a lot of people, but that doesn't make it fact.

For instance, you even mentioned in an example about how people weren't lining up in droves to defend Galileo - his ideas about the earth and the sun were not at all respected by a lot of people. Just because a lot of people don't support something doesn't mean that it's inherently wrong, whether it's an idea about the solar system or an idea about the rightness or wrongness of homosexuality.

Deviance is a negative value judgment of a difference that is in the minority.

IlluSionS667 Wrote:
My point was merely to illustrate that something being offensive to someone shouldn't be a criterium for that statement being said or not.


IlluSionS667 Wrote:
If what I'm saying is offensive to you, it's probably because you know it is true.


Those statements don't look very much alike in meaning. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

IlluSionS667 Wrote:
Whatever..... I have other things to do right now, so I leave you all bickering of how a person should behave in which situation. Jeez, if I didn't know better I would think this was a community of pure NTs when I look at how little of a spine so many of you've got and how much many of you insist on silly social conventions.


So you're implying that NTs are of little spine? *whistles and reports*

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