I think she wouldn't want her daughter to get a child she wouldn't beable to take care of. This would cause sufering for the child, and would probably upset her ma...
Nevertheless... the child could be adopted/put in foster if she was unable to care for it. The argument therfore comes down to, is it right to put a child in foster care or to do an intrusive operation which could potentially destroy an individual's happieness of having a child, that she might beable to care for after all. The operation may also damage the child emotionally.
(I urgently request that you print this out and show the lady, for her daughter's sake. DO IT PLEASE I AM SERIOUS!)
I could be wrong, but if she were able to say that her daughter were not able to make that decision by herself, or any decisions for that matter, she could get control over her daughter's medical choices.
I would suggest something less permanent. Possibly an IUD, which last up to 5 years.
That will allow her to have the "comfort" she needs in knowing she does not have to worry about it, and will still allow her daughter to remain in control of her future choices.
I think that this is not unusual in parents of children who are mentally disabled. NO I AM NOT SAYING SOMEONE ON THE SPECTRUM IS MENTALLY DISABLED. But I believe I have heard about such things when a person is mentally *** and is unable to make the proper choices for themselves, their bodies are mature and ready, and yet their minds remain as children. That could be very scary for someone who is not mentally able to grasp childbirth, and what would happen with the infant after birth? We cannot assume adoption or placement would be an easy task for the infant, nor can we understand what it would do to the mother of the child or the grandmother, who could possibly end up raising the child as well as possibly dealing with caring for her daughter as well. I do not know the state of the daughter so I cannot assume that she is mentally ***, you just said on spectrum.
I am upset at the thought that she would sterilize her daughter because she is on spectrum, but do not have enough information to really pass any kind of judgment. That whole, walking a mile in someone's shoes thing.
I think that this is not unusual in parents of children who are mentally disabled. NO I AM NOT SAYING SOMEONE ON THE SPECTRUM IS MENTALLY DISABLED.
Just would like to note, there is more than one mental (or cognitive or intellectual or developmental) disability out there. This is something I just do.
But I believe I have heard about such things when a person is mentally *** and is unable to make the proper choices for themselves, their bodies are mature and ready, and yet their minds remain as children..
Other people who know a lot more about it, and are also better writers, have commented on the eternal child stereotype. As far as understanding childbirth and how to take care of a child, I would not base my estimation of such on someone's standardized test scores. Nor, while we're on the subject, on a piece of paper with the heading "Diagnosis."
I would not base anything on "standardized test scores". I would, however, like to give this woman the benefit of the doubt and think that since we really have no idea what the capabilities of this child may be, that she just may be trying to do the "right" thing.
No, I am not saying that I agree with her. I am saying that though I am upset at the general thought of the removal of this child's rights, I do not have enough information to really properly judge what is right or is not right for her.
As other people have said, there are legal issues that would come up if the mother actually attempted to do this. I am hopeful that she just decides to try something less permanent. Really, an IUD lasts 5 years and there is a very low rate of failure!
(yup I am going to bring up religion/morality (yes they are not one in the same) What if the girl was a Catholic and was against all types of birth control? What if just her neghborhood officials were against any and all contraceptives? What if one parent or both were in reference to a minor? Now switch that around to the government mandating and deciding such a thing? Why is it that parents or the government or others -think that it is up to them (and not God) to decide that sterilization is any better or worse than the pill or a 5 year "shot"? And also - it is not any of my business - what a person decides _ I just am here to make sure that people don't impose their will on others, whether they are in the minority opinion or majority. Being in the minority or majority does not make something right or wrong.
Inalienable rights.
wait, is she LFA or HFA?
Who gives a crap? It wasn't any more right to do it to Ashley X than it would be to an aspie.
When will "they" ever learn, when will they ever learn? (Yes it is from a song)
(yup I am going to bring up religion/morality (yes they are not one in the same) What if the girl was a Catholic and was against all types of birth control? What if just her neghborhood officials were against any and all contraceptives? What if one parent or both were in reference to a minor? Now switch that around to the government mandating and deciding such a thing? Why is it that parents or the government or others -think that it is up to them (and not God) to decide that sterilization is any better or worse than the pill or a 5 year "shot"? And also - it is not any of my business - what a person decides _ I just am here to make sure that people don't impose their will on others, whether they are in the minority opinion or majority. Being in the minority or majority does not make something right or wrong.
Inalienable rights.
Oh heck, I am totally putting my daughter on birth control as soon as she is old enough to need it. Maybe I am not the best person to ask. 
Sterilize her, HECK NO!, but prevent a teenage pregnancy, HECK YES!
Knowledge, supervision, parenting can all not only help to (nothing but abstinance is 100%) avoid pregnancy and STd's and defensive driving classes, knowledge, supervision, can help to avoid fatal car crashes, bike accidents, boating accidents....
I think that "people" should be careful what they "allow" the government or other "persons" to have a say in.
Korrigan you are the best person to ask - for you -
A freedom issue - not a moral one.
Hyke, is this girl underage?
If so, I think that a temporary measure (IUD, injection, etc.) is the best choice until the girl is of age and is able to make her own choices.
Does that make sense?
Why not supervise her -teach her - protect her - not just from pregnancy ... I can't comment any further on this as verything about this is hypothetical.
just so long as precedents aren't being set by the government and yes I do hope that parents who care for a minor or someone who is so disabled they can't protect themselves - would properly supervise and care for them with dignity and love.
In the discussions that are going on in my country the pro sterilise ppl tend to point at the USA and Australia as examples. How is the law with you? Does forced sterilization happen? As I said in an earlier post forced sterilization is allmost impossible here. Only when the life of the MR mother would be at risk. I can see that as a reasonable point of view. Allowing pregnancy as a way of suicide would be immoral to me. How are the rules in your countries.
Actually, the history of forced sterilizations is something I know little about. In doing some research today, I found that it has been very common in US history.
There was a landmark case in the Illinois Supreme Court just recently where a mentally disabled adult, being cared for by her aunt, successfully protested being sterilized. It was apparently a landmark case. The aunt (according to several articles I found) apparently tried to have her ward use several kinds of birth control, but they did not work with her system.
I really hope that the mother you are speaking of will consider the IUD. From first hand experience, the new ones are safe and are very effective. 5 years will get the girl to 22. She will be of age and able to make her own decisons before that.
... seems like a better idea for 5 years... but still is wrong to me.
Knowledge, supervision, parenting can all not only help to (nothing but abstinance is 100%) avoid pregnancy and STd's and defensive driving classes, knowledge, supervision, can help to avoid fatal car crashes, bike accidents, boating accidents....
on a side note, the decision of Florida to teach abstinence worked *so* well...(!)
well it is not the states job - or government to teach my kid abstinance - I would fight them if they tried. That is my job to do or not to do.
I'm not mad at her but I don't agree with what she attempted.
Hyke, is this girl underage?
If so, I think that a temporary measure (IUD, injection, etc.) is the best choice until the girl is of age and is able to make her own choices.
Does that make sense?
Err, those methods are very dangerous. I know women who can't have children because they had an IUD fitted and they got an infection. Injections of strong hormones are not to be given lightly either as there is a severe chance of bad side-effects. In any case, a qualified gynaecologist needs to be involved.
The technology of IUDs has changed quite a bit in the last few years. I would bet that the women who had issues before were fitted with the old type, which had copper in it, and from what I heard is very dangerous. The new type, however, have been in use for many years and have none of the same issues.
The hormone injections also have side effects, sure. Any of these choices would be something prescribed and taken care of by a gynacologist or GP. I really do not know how else you would obtain such things.
But given the choice between the two, if she is underage and her mother has control of her medical decisions, I would much rather see her have a temporary measure to prevent pregnancy in place than have something permanent happen.
I think the best one can do is be open and frank about all things and use everything that happens, seemingly minor or otherwise as an ongoing education to steer the child in the right direction. Apart from that and keeping the child clear or intercepting her invovlement in negative peer groups (which I have done) theres not a lot else.
Plus a little social engineering may be in order. Change schools, find a mentor/buddy so the child can get into a "good" peer group which is normally difficult. Bad peer group is easy, they welcome everyone then the real leaders of it "set" the child up. Like when are you going to lose your virginity? And torture the kid to conform, when in reality they just want to set them up.
But that requires a different approach.