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atypical Wrote:
Shame on us (the US)  for stressing parents out with bills they cannot afford to pay but can't afford not to.


I will point out that the therapy they mentioned is ABA, and the reason they "can't afford" it is because they're expected to put their child through 20-40 hours of it a week.

Given that much of this time is usually spent on "normalising" activities (removing stims, demanding eye contact, etc), it's entirely unnecessary and borderline abusive to do so.

M Wrote:
I don't understand why this child can behave enough to take ballet lessons and screams all the time at home?  If he learned how to brush his teeth why do his parents have to hold him down to do it?  

Maybe time out just don't work for him.  

Sensory issues like cold/hot/warm.  I don't think there is a problem with serving cold food or having cold bath if that is what he wants.  Just cook the food ahead of time.  

I don't think that sleeping pills are supposed to be used regularly anyway.



Yeah, I've just read through this again - this child is 5 years old, right?  And he can now use the toilet, brush his teeth and go a Big Wheel, whatever that is - a bicycle?

To be honest, I think many of the issues described here are pretty normal for pre-school children.  Another mother I knew had two boys who both had horrific and violent tantrums until they were about 5 or 6.  She had her nose broken once and the health visitor told her that if she had to restrain one of them, to lie flat on the floor so her face was out of range.  Those boys aren't autistic - they just had bad tantrums which they grew out of.

One of my former neighbours had a baby girl who screamed incessantly for the first year...near enough non-stop.  We all heard it and it was the kind of scream that actually hurts you inside to listen to.  Again, it was just one of those things and the wee girl grew out of it.  We didn't phone the police though, we used to go round and offer to take the baby out for a while to give the mother a break..

My son wouldn't let me brush his teeth, so I just let him do it himself.  I reckon there's too much risk of injury, never mind permanent aversion to teeth-brushing, by holding a child down like that.  He prefers his food and his baths to be luke warm or cold, so that's how he has them.  I put his food onto the plate first and let it cool down, it's not a problem.

I dare say there's more to this, but it does seem that much of what is described here is pretty much "normal" pre-school behaviour...or the parents making a fuss about things that can be dealt with fairly easily...or am I being too harsh?

Marcia Wrote:
I dare say there's more to this, but it does seem that much of what is described here is pretty much "normal" pre-school behaviour...or the parents making a fuss about things that can be dealt with fairly easily...or am I being too harsh?


To me, it sounds more severe than just "normal".

Unfortunately, kids do not come with a manual.  I sure wish they did, which listed all of their special needs and special skills.  That way, it was not such a guessing game.  

However, I have been around a lot of parents who parent very differently than I do.  Tantrums have never been allowed in our household.  We never let them begin. So many people allow their children to misbehave, backtalk, etc. and never do anything until the parents are so frustrated they are nearing a loss of control, themselves.  Talk about mixed messages to a child!

We have learned to listen to our child when she tells us what she needs and how she needs it.  We learned to not listen to other people, and their "shoulds" - rather, we listen to opinions and if they seem like they will work, we try them.  

I am not sure what the real story here is, but I feel sorry for both the parents and the kids, as obviously, it is a bad situation.  

EvilZakkie Wrote:

atypical Wrote:
Shame on us (the US)  for stressing parents out with bills they cannot afford to pay but can't afford not to.


I will point out that the therapy they mentioned is ABA, and the reason they "can't afford" it is because they're expected to put their child through 20-40 hours of it a week.

Given that much of this time is usually spent on "normalising" activities (removing stims, demanding eye contact, etc), it's entirely unnecessary and borderline abusive to do so.


Damn straight, Zakkie!  They should get better information, rather than get their minds clogged up by curebie "horse feathers".

atypical Wrote:
ahhhh, sorry, I stopped reading after it seemed to be the same old genre of pity.


*grins* I know the feeling - these sorts of articles all seem to blend into each other after a while...

energeia Wrote:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/361730_autism05.html

Parents are autism's hidden victims
Baffling disorder hurts more than just those who have it

By PAUL NYHAN
P-I REPORTER


  Ok, I can give this story the benefit of the doubt. It tends to be kinda 'autism as tragedy', but at the same time, it *does* give a decent picture of how difficult it is to find *real* support/funding for raising autistic children, so I can forgive the flaws...

  By the way, I emailed Paul Nyhan and invited both him and the family to AFF!  :-)

  -BobB

energeia Wrote:

the Addams family


i grew up with that show.  still one of my favorites Tongue

Lestat Wrote:
Hehehe mine too Smile

People say my last g/f, before the girl I'm with now, looked like mortisha Tongue

I was going to post something else, but for the life of me, I don't know what it was anymore, I bloody hate that Tongue


awesome.  morticia was so gorgeous. i heard that her natural hair color was actually blond!  in one episode she played her sister and it didn't suit her at all.

Great post Callista

I myself have been faced with people saying this to me:

"You just need to discipline him better."

I also have been stared at quite frequently when my son has a meltdown/tantrum in a store and hear remarks that he is "spoiled" etc.

Good point :

"Autistic people do suffer from the prejudice we get. But so do our parents. There's not enough support; they're not included in the community; and in general there's much more trouble coming from prejudice and isolation than there ever was from autism itself."

Callista Wrote:
Autistic people do suffer from the prejudice we get. But so do our parents. There's not enough support; they're not included in the community; and in general there's much more trouble coming from prejudice and isolation than there ever was from autism itself.


Wow Callista, what a wise post.  Even just dealing with the stresses of being an "NT" wife, with an "AS" hubby, and an "LD" (possibly AS as well) kid, I share many of the same frustrations.  Thank you for putting it so well.

kattoo13 Wrote:

energeia Wrote:

the Addams family


i grew up with that show.  still one of my favorites Tongue


Too young to remember the TV show, but I like the films.

Oh, and when I read 'The Addams Family' I couldn't resist humming the theme tune and clicking.Shy And I bet I'm not the only one- Either the journalist who wrote that is careless, or he/she was having a laugh.

I also get sick of the emphasis on parents, as if they are better at speaking for us than we are. On Autism Speaks there is a lot of people telling us HFAs to go and speak to PARENTS of LFA kids, as opposed to talking to some LFA adults first hand, presumably.

Planet*Louise Wrote:
On Autism Speaks there is a lot of people telling us HFAs to go and speak to PARENTS of LFA kids, as opposed to talking to some LFA adults first hand, presumably.


(Being sarcastic) Don't forget, when you hit adulthood, you are magically CURED!  That is why they keep talking about help for only children.  

So frustrating.

Callista Wrote:
Okay. This article has all the usual hyperbole and sensationalism--that's obvious. But there is an issue here that's real, and that is the fact that parents suffer when their autistic kids are rejected, stereotyped, etc.; and they suffer when there is too much to do to raise the child and nobody helps them. Autism almost always means "difficult child" as well as "isolated parent". .....
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Ellen: Due to lack of support from one brother and his wife for both my Aspie daughter and my aging Mom-  ! actually blocking Hope's access to their son Drew twice as if he needed protecting or something (Hope adores him, and he her)!- I no longer speak to either so YES autism has sad consequences sometimes. I rather hate them now as a matter of fact as they looked on and watched while I twisted in the wind with a crushing rope of responsibilities (Mom and Hope) around my neck and did as little as they could to help.  
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Callista: When you have an autistic child and you go to the grocery store and that child has a meltdown, most other people have no idea they are looking at a scared, overwhelmed child. They think they are looking at a spoiled brat.
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Ellen: I got that mostly from one of Hope's tubby tutors who thought I coddled her too much. She ate too much! Idiot. But she was childless, so clueless herself about parenting. She also had a rather evangelical frame of mind- not my favorite people, sorry! We stayed on good terms, but dumped her for another tutor, who LOVED Hope and never made judgmental comments!

I also WAS ABOUT to get a lecture from Hope's babysitter last year (a woman who works at a daycare center) but cut the bitch off, saying "gotta go!". Try it- good tactic. Run like hell. She may know toddlers, but she sure as hell doesn't know Aspies!  ---------------------------------------
Callista: For high-functioning kids, the moms will get things like, "You just need to discipline him better." Being told you are a bad mother is very painful when you are trying as hard as, or harder than, everyone else. And remember, these are neurotypical moms.
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Ellen: After Hope's diagnosis clueless brother above called me once and asked me in a desperate tone of voice what I was doing to "help her ". I was so insulted as I am probably the most pro-active person you'll ever meet, for God's sake, and methodical, and cerebral (20 years education, a master's degree and teaching certificate) and experienced at parenting (2 kids). But it occurred to me later my late Dad would have done the same thing had he been alive as we are a "fix the problem" type of family...
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On top of that, raising an autistic child can be hard work. I've heard it described as "parenting squared". Maybe your child is an insomniac--sleeps four hours a night on a good day. Maybe your child doesn't have a good sense of danger, and you're forever having to pick him out of trees and make sure he doesn't run onto the highway. Maybe he has frequent meltdowns, and you're getting headaches from the screams ...
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Me: Hope has been pretty easy-- few of the problems you mention above. She had a few meltdowns in middle school, but nothing we couldn't handle (though it was stressful at the time).  The only persistent one, the one that complicates everything, is her perennial lack of maturity, lagging behind others her age. God I hope she catches up. Most of the teens that post here seem lightyears ahead of Hope and that worries me a little. But she lacks still self-consciousness, won't go into Aspie chatrooms yet to learn, to discover who she is.

I also worry about her safety as she would be so easy to take advantage of in a myriad of ways. That sort of worry is probably THE most incapacitating actually.

That said, I know for a fact I have some underlying physical issues (that haven't manifested yet, but will) that stem largely from parenting her AND being my Mom's chief caretaker from 2003-January 2007. I had spinal problems in 2006-2007 that took a full 9 months to heal. At least I only had stiffness and numbness, but no pain!

I have occ. panic attacks lately too but that is consistent with aging (I am over 50). Let's just say I am a big fan of xanax, but don't abuse it.

For all women over 40 who are experiencing perio-menopause or actual menopause I recommend taking bioidentical hormones (if there is not breast cancer in the family- just to be ultra safe) in order to cope, to be able to sleep well, think clearly, you name it.
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Callista: And everybody seems to want to pity you and tell you your child is either an angel or a demon, either has to "overcome" his autism or else will never amount to anything. You have to deal with the knowledge that your child is being bullied at school. You have to wrestle with special ed teachers who would rather just warehouse the child than teach him anything.
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Me: The one thing I can't handle anymore (due to ego probably) is the pity so I spend a lot of time (like just yesterday in an email to friends and one family member) bragging about Hope's progress, reassuring people she is going to be just fine ultimately. I am also spreading the word that I am not pro-cure and that a anti-cure movement is underway that will revolutionize how we view disabilities, not just AS. As I've mentioned in previous posts- first women's rights, then blacks, then gays, now it's YOUR turn folks!

Hope was bullied on average every two months from about 4th grade to 8th. It mostly stopped in high school. She is actually, get this!, on her way to becoming popular in a sense. Case in point: She was late getting to school yesterday because of stomach cramps and when she arrived in English several girls started to baby her, get her snacks, fuss over her. Then I heard that in journalism kids were asking her what her nickname was. In special educ. she has started to talk so much to the other NT kids that it is affecting her work. She started the year by only talking to the teacher there but now seldom talks to her. She is finally one of the gang!!Big Grin

Re special educ. teachers- we have been very lucky in that regard and I have no complaints. That said I still have to stay in near constant email contact with them and I track nearly every major paper, report, and test. It is exhausting!!!!! The fact that I will probably have to hold her hand thru college or technical school- well it makes me actually nauseous as I feel at my limit now.
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Callista: Autistic people do suffer from the prejudice we get. But so do our parents. There's not enough support; they're not included in the community; and in general there's much more trouble coming from prejudice and isolation than there ever was from autism itself.

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Me: Brilliant analysis, Callista and spot on as the Brits say.

We do feel included in the community though. Perhaps we stay that way by only kicking ass when we absolutely have to and by constantly thanking friends and teachers who are helping us, helping Hope. I spent more on her main teachers' Xmas gifts this year than I did for my extended family.

What everyone forgets or doesn't mention enough is this: What me and my husband are doing for Hope is more important than ANYTHING any CEO is currently doing, I don't care what company he/she works for. Our work has larger implications because a precious soul is involved.

Also there is MUCH joy, glory in raising these kids. Many, not all, but many seem to love unconditionally and are imo spiritually advanced in ways we won't understand til we ourselves are back "home" in the astral plane reviewing our lives.  It is our privilege really to be associated with them.  They ARE changing the world.

Ellen

Callista Wrote:

Autistic people do suffer from the prejudice we get. But so do our parents. There's not enough support; they're not included in the community; and in general there's much more trouble coming from prejudice and isolation than there ever was from autism itself.


Callista,
  EXCELLENT post!!!  :-)

  Your last paragraph sums it up perfectly; it *also* shows why organizations like Autism Speaks, et al, are so worthless: they *promote* the prejudice that we suffer from!

  -BobB

BobB Wrote:
  By the way, I emailed Paul Nyhan and invited both him and the family to AFF!  :-)


  I got a reply back from Paul Nyhan; here's my original email, and his reply:

  -BobB

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From: Bob 'Skippy' Blechinger
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:53 PM
To: Nyhan, Paul
Subject: Autism story


Dear Paul,
   I read your story about Sharky Munat and his family in your online edition; being autistic myself (Asperger's), I can understand what the family is going through.

   I'd like to invite both you and the family to Aspies For Freedom (http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com), a discussion/support site for both autistics *and* families of autistics. Since we've lived through the growing-up process from *both* sides - as autistics *and* parents - we can help the family deal with some of the day-to-day problems, as well as being able to give them an idea of what to expect in the future.

   -Bob Blechinger
     Aspies For Freedom
       Sioux Falls, SD

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  Bob, Thanks for your email, I'll forward a link to Aspies for Freedom to the parents. Sorry for the delay in responding. I was swamped last week.

  Thanks again and good luck,

  Paul Nyhan
  Family Reporter
  Seattle Post-Intelligencer

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