Aspies For Freedom

I'm on the aspie/NT borderline.

I think it's great that people with all sorts of different perspectives are here.  That includes neuro-status, age, gender, sexual orientation, relationship status, parents, and the rest of the stuff on the usual lists.

In my opinion, people should be treated as individuals and if somebody has a problem with someone, deal with it by addressing that specific person, and not the group to which that person might be assigned based on what he or she has said about him/herself.

So to answer your question....yes, I think so.

You are very welcome here Korrigan!!!

yeah - whadda ya gettin at Jedimom??


just watch yerself!


However, Korrigan,
People are different - aspies tend to get knocked back in life cause people don't understand. This can make fragile egos. Fragile egos are inclined to take offence - perhaps more easily.
It is not much fun having a fragile ego, it extends out into your life and causes all sorts of issues.

Perfect point.

oops - love and hugs Korrigan.

I know you get het up and upset but you don't think flame anyone.
You are nice.
The internet is part of problem .... it increases feelings of misunderstanding.

I refer you to the section you posted this in:
NT/AS interaction

We wouldn't have that there if NTs weren't welcome. Just recently we had someone on chatautism harrassing someone purely for being NT and even going so far as to make legal threats who had to be banned. Bigotry runs both ways.

I think it is ok for NT's to post up here.  They just might want to be aware that the aspies here (and other people on the spectrum) have differing degrees of empathy.  They don't need to be abused for that.  Some explanations sometimes are needed to explain feelings about certain situations.  

But I think it should be primarily an aspie board and not filled up with just all NT's talking to each other.  It might be better if they had their own forum for their specific problems.  Being an aspie affects almost every aspect of my life - so maybe being an NT makes their life totally different as well???  I don't know what they need specially.

  

I like this one - a badge would do it -- I need a badge like this for work.

Personally, I'm more interested in the way individuals behave, rather than the groups they nominally 'belong' to.  I wonder sometimes how many of the NTs who post here are actually aspie (and vice versa).  I can see why NT parents or partners might come here, for feedback related to issues or concerns with the aspies in their lives - but I do wonder why some of them stay and use it, apparantly, as a significant part of their online social life.

I do find it easier to tolerate arguments/flaming from aspies here than from NTs - being called a moron by an NT user for holding different political views to them isn't going to win me over, not least when they refuse either to back it up or apologise for it (as has been mentioned elsewhere in a similar incident, it's a particularly wounding sort of insult to throw around in here).  Actually, it wouldn't matter to me whether it was an aspie or an NT who'd done it - I wouldn't welcome that person anywhere.  Establishing a fact-free political orthodoxy through social pressure and aggressive posturing just isn't something I welcome.

Interestingly, you don't seem to have posted any of your comments, korrigan - the one where you called me a moron, for example.  You can't post the one where you apologised - because that hasn't happened.
It did occur to me that you might be using this thread to muster some support, following the appalling behaviour of your pal Kattoo13 elsewhere.  I hadn't realised it was all just an elaborate trap so you could launch an attack on me.  'Moron' failed to shut me up, but I still don't subscribe to your fact-free political orthodoxy (though I think you make the mistake common to that sort of 'we are right therefore you are wrong' standpoint of ass-uming that anyone who doesn't agree with you necessarily supports policies or positions that are an anathema to you).

Skipping through some of your collection of out-of-context quotes (seriously disturbing - have you been saving them up just waiting for an opportunity to strike?), I'll respond to some of them, more or less randomly.

Yes, given kattoo's behaviour in what is now a locked thread, your support for her there and your previous behaviour as noted above, it is my opinion that AFF would be a better place without you.  My opinion, as I say - I'm sure it's an opinion you'd rather supress, but that's the nature of your broad political stance, apparantly.  I support free expression of opinions myself.

The nature (and revealed purpose) of this post itself adds to my inclination to lump you together with kattoo - not as representative NTs (I don't think you are), but as accomplished social bullies.  Having apparantly merely sought support and welcome (something we're accustomed to offer here), you now have a group of people predisposed to take your side in what may well (as you appear to wish) become another 'fight club' thread.

Are you going to apologise for calling me a moron, by the way?  Or do you, like the increasingly rabid kattoo in that locked thread, insist that it's your right to say what you want to a bunch of internet nobodies and they can clear off if they don't like it?

This particular quote:
"Thanks though, for demonstrating once again who is the problem here - who it is who really does have their panties in a bunch, who the reallly offensive asshole is, who really can't stop themselves being rude, who can't demonstrate maturity, who thinks they can somehow 'win', who thinks that the aspies can just clear off from AFF if they don't like the 'heat' of your abusive presence."
appears particularly damning, doesn't it?  Except it just mirrors, word for word, the abusive comments kattoo had levelled at me - but hey, it's much more fun to take things out of context, isn't it?

Are you going to apologise for calling me a moron, by the way?  Or are you just going to try and 'win' by starting misleading threads and then making all this personal even though I'd made every effort to make my response on it impersonal?  Just like kattoo's explosion on that other thread, no-one would have known who was being referred to - but you were just itching for a fight, eh?

Your thread asked if NTs were welcome - I think anybody is welcome, as I've said.  But what you really meant was are you welcome.  I'm sure the people you haven't called 'moron' are comfortable enough with you.  But if you don't answers to a question, don't solicit them - and if you can't handle answers you didn't want, don't use the internet, let alone AFF.

Jiggeryqua, I like you alot. I want you to stay and enjoy the forum.

I understand why you feel attacked, I think sometimes people should be kinder, whoever they are. I don't imagine you are enjoying the arguing and I imagine you are feeling pretty frustrated.
You seem like a good guy who really wants to put up a good fight for what you see as being right.

I don't want to  pick out rights or wrongs - just saying how jiggeryqua might be feeling.

forgive me if I am right of the mark Jiggeryqua.

Lots of things have been said now - that shouldn't have been said - so can you guys call it a truce now. Korrigan - I think you would like Jiggerqua if met him in real life.

Jiggeryqua is a really good guy.

Korrigan you are nice too (of course) -- both of you are quite fiery.

Check out general in a few minutes.........

LOL, the Pacific Northwet is living up to its reputation today.

I thought that the "mormon" comment was funny also.
I'm used to being called an idiot, so being called a moron might be considered a step up.
It's kind of fascinating to me how certain comments or issues can trigger reactivity.  This appears to be a phenomenon shared by folks of all neurotypes.  Human nature.

When I find myself being reactive--it's a tip-off to question what's really at stake.  Useful info, often.