Ideally, I'd love to have NT people able to come here (or to an Aspie-majority forum somewhere) and get a positive idea of what Aspergers is about - a bunch of people talking about the good things they're doing, making plans, supporting and comporting each other and generallys SHOWING (rather than just SAYING) that they're worthwhile human beings and fine just the way they are.
Unfortunately, anyone who wanders in here at the moment is more likely to get caught in the middle of a flame war.
Guess what? I have been flamed.
This place needs a reform of some sort.
First, I thought, honest to goodness, that Jiggeryqua was joking at first.
Hence the giggle, hence the said with a smile. Past that point, I felt attacked and did not want to respond anymore.
I am very frustrated and do not want to argue with you Jiggeryqua.
Sorry I should clarify. That looked as if I quoted Jiggeryqua wrong.
This is all from me:
First, I thought, honest to goodness, that Jiggeryqua was joking at first.
Hence the giggle, hence the said with a smile. Past that point, I felt attacked and did not want to respond anymore.
I am very frustrated and do not want to argue with you Jiggeryqua.
And I am going to clarify again, for those people on the forum who are not Jiggeryqua.
I did not post this thread as a personal thread. My reasons for doing it were personal. That is different.
I was sitting around and feeling hurt and upset, and I thought, wow, what has caused me to feel this way. I went back and looked over that locked thread from yesterday, and I saw a lot of what I would consider "NT bashing" from Jiggeryqua. I then went back to the thread on which I had an exchange with him and saw the same thing. I put them all together so that I could see the word NT over and over again. After reading and re-reading Jiggeryqua's comments, I thought, wow, honestly, are NT people not welcomed by the community here? I wanted your answers, and thank you so much, I got them.
I really do appreciate that many of you have been kind enough to direct the responses back at me. Which of course, makes sense, as I was the person asking.
But my question was for the community as a whole to discuss their opinions of NTs coming on to this site and posting.
Thank you again for your responses!
P.S. I don't think anyone is really taking sides... (I say this as an optimist - not to have someone prove to me it is not true)
Darn you, stop taking their side! LOL! Kidding! 
Marcia wrote :" I'm tiptoeing < that looks odd written down - in here to comment on what jiggeryqua said about individuals and why they chose to stay here. It's an interesting point and one that I've thought about myself. I think I started on the parents thread, before ambling further into AFF and finding that I liked it, and the people who make up this community."
The crickets are chirping out in PARENTs thread - land. I posted there this AM after some thought when I figured out yesterday that that is where I "should" be according to the NT terminology, all good and proper like. The truth is no one ever goes there... (please read this post in a nice regular tone, not a strident one - no excalmation points)
The crickets are chirping out in PARENTs thread - land. I posted there this AM after some thought when I figured out yesterday that that is where I "should" be according to the NT terminology, all good and proper like. The truth is no one ever goes there... (please read this post in a nice regular tone, not a strident one - no excalmation points)
I was being selfish, ok, and busy too, so I did not see it, I posted a response now, though! 
I'm going to summarise, and hopefully finish this thing off.
1) NT's are entirely welcome here, no question. Particular individuals may occasionally disagree, but this isn't the opinion of the site as a whole.
2) The other more specific issues mentioned in this thread are unresolvable, and there's no real point in continuing to talk about it.
I'm done!
Smiling at what AP said about calling someone a Mormon.
Good morning everyone (8:30Am here) Nice weather here in New Jersey. What is the weather where you are?
Would watching emotional movies, movies with long conversations help you decode NT emotions and social cues? How about plays?
Someone mentioned once that etiquette books really helped him understand NT culture when he was younger....
I am a (supposed NT) but I spent countless hours as a 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 year old reading ettiquette books (and novels with interesting , old fashioned or rigid social constructs) why, I don't know, but as I did, I really feel it helped me to understand human behavior (more) and the "rules" that in these days (especially in the US?) are not "written" anywhere except in ettiquette books and advice . (I like rules they make things easier to when followed properly - as far as social situations anyway).
thanks for bringing up the topic - I think I have been a bit sexist as I haven't considered passing my old books onto my son - I bet he'd enjoy them as he sure seems to try to figure out what is expected of him - and furthermore knowing what "his end" entails anyway, regardless of the ill manners he comes across from his goofy peer group (11 to 14 year old - in his words "horrid") - knowing his end may make things less confusing.
Korrigan, I think I know what you meant by being (generally) happy with how the thread turned out - I am so happy the thread didn't end before this ettiquette comment was posted - not to mention some other good tidbits... AND I sure hope that you didn't tell someone to leave (that doesn't sound like you)- I didn't see that post.
Do right and fear no man!
Jiggeryqua - ? ? A few posts on here have been noted to be helpful by more than one person on here - on balance - some good has come of it. I am daring to put out my view what I feel is an unbiased viewpoint - I'm on noones side. It seems like you are actually really truly upset by this thread. You have your opinion on it so I guess that won't be changed. It doesn't seem to have been set up like a trap, (to me) or against you, but instead as a general - and to me a helpful question - seemingly or maybe brought up by some banter between you and Korrigan - the question about whether when a post is from an NT some will fight against anything an Nt says just becasue they are an NT, or whether we (ie.various groups, sub-groups, parents,non parents, Nt's, kind aod Nt's, aspie, autie, young old, parents to aspies) should be segregated more on this forum. An actual question I think. An admission that "She" was hoping that "you" would answer on the thread is just that "She" hoped to get your opinion and your views. (Again, from my, give people the benefit of the doubt, optimistic and I think unemotional perspective) Is everything an NT says/posts more "Suspect" and liable to be more closely scrutinized for intentional or unintentional slights? and really so what if (they) are? There are way more things that we as people all have in common than our differences.
Not fuel to the fire - I hope. Just my two cents - that noone has asked for and noone may ever read. But there it is.
Jiggeryqua - ? ? [...] It doesn't seem to have been set up like a trap, (to me) or against you, [...] An admission that "She" was hoping that "you" would answer on the thread is just that "She" hoped to get your opinion and your views.
Which might ring true if korrigan hadn't had a whole page of selective out-of-contect quotes to hand, designed to label me as discriminatory.
It might ring true if she clearly hadn't roped in some chums by telling them 'he's a misogynist' or somesuch (I forget who's take on the 'banter' - that's not the right word, by the way, for calling someone a moron - was expressed in a way that made it clear she hadn't read it, but had picked it up vis some kind of chinese whisper).
It might ring true if her accusations were remotely true - or if she'd shown any inclination to listen to and understand representations from a range of spectrumites as to why NTs might need to remember that they're posting on AFF and accept that their actions and attitudes might bear some adjustment in that light.
It might ring true if she didn't keep returning to the thread to preen and flaunt - inevitably, I read it that she's happy she got away with it, that she at least managed to upset and offend me, if not silence me. I'm not, by the way, as you've guessed, terribly interested in what it looked like to you - or indeed, anyone else.
It might ring true if she apologised for calling me a moron - that would be a good step, don't you think? Something everyone might agree would be to the common good at this point.
I just don't read all the threads - and frankly when they get out of hand - or are heading that why - If I am not involved - I check out and don't follow. Many a thread can get too emotional and then is no longer rational enough for me to be of any help or to learn from...I am just generalizing is all. I cherry pick the good and try and ignore the bad or devisive. Big fan of moving on - easier to do in forums than in the physical world.
Eagles song " (a woman) can't take you anywhere - you don't already know how to go"
and I got a peaceful easy feeling - and I know you won't let me down - cuz I m already standing onthe ground...
So... I'm sure I can be dismissed as 'misinterpreting' this, but you're essentially saying "hey, guy - she's a woman - she is above common rules of social courtesy, so get over being offended, get used to it - you won't get an apology, she's entitled to not give a damn because of the relative power of the groups your genitalia assign you to - besides, someone wrote a song about it once, "you're the man, you're at fault" I think it went" <hums the tune>.
Pretty sure sexism is right there as an obviously unwelcome attitude on the front page guidelines, and taken as read in the current thread on forum rules. Of course, it was imagined sexism that sparked the offensive insult that korrigan refuses to apologise for on account of her chromosomes...this thread just oozes irony. It couldn't be that she only objects to one form of sexism, could it?
Wow, I didn't see this coming ( I'll admit I wasn't looking for it, sorry)oh dear, I was just quoting a nice song - just in reference to one line that you wrote " It might ring true if she clearly hadn't roped in some chums by telling them 'he's a misogynist' or somesuch "
that lineat my 11:19 AM posts Eagles song " (a woman) can't take you anywhere - you don't already know how to go" ... adn then I just couldn't help but sing the next couple fo very mellow lines which made me think of justing letting bygones be bygones...
and I got a peaceful easy feeling - and I know you won't let me down - cuz I m already standing onthe ground... can't take you anywhere People can't be roped into and such and such... or people can't be blamed for other people's posts and where a thread goes.
Popel are responsible for what they say to be sure. I did not, at all, in the least open myself up for anything to do with sexism - I just wrote in a Completely differt post "she" instead of a name. Not my fault that the Eagles song writer was a man and was talking about a woman. Man/woman makes no differerence ...
Sorry all for making a tangent here, I sure didn't mean to further anything negative here. I thought that the Eagles song had a really nice sentiment is all.
I must be wrong wrong (*it's not the first or last time).
Bowing out of thread. :O)