Is jiggeryqua saying that criticism and debate is "Abuse" when levelled at an aspie and just "information" when levelled at an NT?
Moron isn't the nicest word, I agree...but saying someone has "Clear deficits" qualifies as insulting too... (BTW apologize is spelled with a Z not an s, and deficits is spelled with an I not an e... as long as we are deciding who has characteristics reflecting intelligence, jiggeryqua) And trying to help one's children to learn to adapt in a confusing world is not the same as wanting them to be someone they're not. And for the record, my aspie husband has a greater tendency to that emotional blackmail you refer to as offense than anyone I have ever known. And he freely admits it. And wants to change it. Let us WORK TOGETHER... don't look for underlying insults in everything. Relax a little and give people the benefit of the doubt.
Personally, I'm more interested in the way individuals behave, rather than the groups they nominally 'belong' to. I wonder sometimes how many of the NTs who post here are actually aspie (and vice versa). I can see why NT parents or partners might come here, for feedback related to issues or concerns with the aspies in their lives - but I do wonder why some of them stay and use it, apparantly, as a significant part of their online social life.
I do find it easier to tolerate arguments/flaming from aspies here than from NTs - being called a moron by an NT user for holding different political views to them isn't going to win me over, not least when they refuse either to back it up or apologise for it (as has been mentioned elsewhere in a similar incident, it's a particularly wounding sort of insult to throw around in here). Actually, it wouldn't matter to me whether it was an aspie or an NT who'd done it - I wouldn't welcome that person anywhere. Establishing a fact-free political orthodoxy through social pressure and aggressive posturing just isn't something I welcome.
I have to admit that I was waiting for your reply Jiggeryqua. I put together a little snippet of the information that actually caused me to post this thread.
PLEASE NOTE: ALL COMMENTS ARE TAKEN TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT I would strongly encourage the people reading this to go back and read the whole thread, in context, but this is what made me post "Are NTs welcome here..." All comments listed below, to my knowledge, were posted by Jiggeryqua.
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Please, as an NT, don't come on a site dedicated to people likely to have significantly higher IQ than yours and call someone a moron - especially if you're going to maliciously misquote them and fail to rebut their points with anything other than abuse.
But you did. What you failed to do was apologise for coming on to a site for people widely designated as 'mentally impaired', often assumed to be 'intellectually deficient' and, as an NT with clear defecits in the thinking you presented, label one of them a 'moron'.
Thank you for your response, Joel - I expect that applies to a lot of us on here (even the NTs can leap to conclusions, apparantly). An apology would have been nice too, but I'll let it go, since even the NTs can't seem to manage one.
We could do with remembering that some aspies are parents - and we could do with a lot less NTs throwing their weight around and bullying the aspies because they display poor social skills - is that how you'd want your aspie offspring dealt with?
1b) You are responding as an NT. You can't do otherwise. Try and understand what this forum is about, and the sort of people who use it.
Your son is aspie - you are not. The fact of your motherhood is biological only - history is replete with parents who problems with their children or the nature of their children.
I don't think either of you belong here, I think you both seem determined to make trouble and determined to address Asperger's only from the point of view of being a problem or flaw in the perfect children you would have hoped for. That's not what we're about here.
What kind of response did you expect from aspies? How prepared are you to actually learn, and understand that that was an aspergian response? Not at all, apparantly.
I'm going to repeat my opinion, since it's one I hold with some conviction - I think the best thing korrigan and kattoo13 could do right now is leave and find a more suitable forum. If they apologised on the way out, that would be a bonus.
A couple of NT's are claiming they're offended - offense is just a form of social blackmail though.
Nope, again. You listed a number of groups you think saw insulted here - none of which has happened. What did happen was that an NT parent launched themselves into the thread with a barrage of abuse levelled at M...and as Batman55 has just pointed out, it was actually aspies that were being insulted, as a group, and on AFF of all places. Not for the first time, as it happens - and, as it happens, there's a connection revealed between the two people doing it.
I think you're slightly confusing yourself by understanding my reference to two parents and two NTs to imply that I'm an NT parent - I'm an aspie parent. That said, if you're so sure you have no idea what I'm talking about why on earth are you adding to the confusion with another post? Especially one that shares that 'I'm normal and I really don't get what you weirdy aspies are on about' tone that is the root of the problem here.
The one where he also pointed out that coming to AFF, of all places, and impugning the intelligence of aspergian's who are clearly more intellectually capable than you is aggressively offensive.
Thanks though, for demonstrating once again who is the problem here - who it is who really does have their panties in a bunch, who the reallly offensive asshole is, who really can't stop themselves being rude, who can't demonstrate maturity, who thinks they can somehow 'win', who thinks that the aspies can just clear off from AFF if they don't like the 'heat' of your abusive presence.
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