My post was mostly directed at your rank hypocrisy, kattoo13. That was the bit that was personal - and you haven't responded to it all. - I can't help it if people can't handle me. My rank?? Give me a break.
1) Making numbered lists only makes you[/1] think it sounds more authorative and well thought out. - Erm..No. I had break things down for people to make it easier for them to understand lol
1a) Two people do not make a pattern - not least when you concede you know nothing about M (please stop doing "this" to M's username, it's no less a name than 'kattoo13' and the action seems designed solely to isolate and diminsh M). You also know nothing about the person who sent a pm about M - but it suits your unpleasantly vindivtive manner to take it at face value. Wind your neck in, for pity's sake, you're doing yourself no favours and you're doing nothing for the forum. - I never said I knew anything about M. I was going on my OWN personal experience and noted the fact of the other person to show I was not alone. I never said M sent a person a PM. In fact the person said M had responded to them with a rude reply. Get your facts straight, dear.
1b) You are responding as an NT. You can't do otherwise. Try and understand what this forum is about, and the sort of people who use it.
You need to get a clue. If you read any of the threads I have posted (check in the Education section), you'll notice I DO know what this forum is about. M is the one who responded to me with negativity today, when I hadn't even done anything wrong. All I did was post a thread asking a legitimate question...
2) I am very polite, despite my poor social skills. Your son is apparantly very polite despite the example offered by his mother. Learn how to spell. It's "apparently." I can only hope my son grows up to defend himself against idiots like you.
3) This conversation concerns me because you're having it in an open forum which I use - even if you had added a proviso that only posts supporting you would be welcome, I'd have ignored it. - No, it doesn't. My post was directed towards M, in response to this PM he sent me.
4) Sounds like a personal [i]opinion to me - if there's a problem, it's one you're sharing...and exacerbating. If M has a problem, other aspies are here to support her. If you have a problem with aspies, go find another forum. I don' t have a problem with Aspies. My son is one, so don't twist my words around to attempt to make a point.
5) I never met a bully who admitted it. Given how blunt (for which read 'bullying') you are, is it any surprise only two people have voiced a problem with that? How many, by the way, before you admit the problem is yours? You could have left M's thread alone - and no-one would have known what it was about (apparantly. According to you). But you didn't, you came out fighting - armed only with 'blunt' weapons, rank hypocrisy and misdirection. I'm speaking to you - who else I speak to isn't your concern.
Why should I admit something, that only you see as a problem? I haven't done anything wrong. Get over it.
I'm still trying to figure out why you think I am a hypocrite lol I posted a thread, M responded with a rude comment, to which I responded. M then posted a pointless thread to point out how parents ask "stupid" questions, and I responded once again. I'll take it you calling me is hypocrite is your only defense. It's ok...it doesn't surprise me you couldn't come up with anything better to say.
Talk about hypocrite...you claim to know what I am about by reading this thread, but in your previous thread you said I don't know anything about the person who sent me the PM? WaWHAT?? You're right about one thing..I don't understand your point, when you just contradict yourself.
And smarty pants, my response WAS directed at M...I even posted the PM he sent me. It's not my fault you're not capable of figuring who that reply was for. It's also apparent that you can't come up with your own responses, since you have to parrot back mine, dear.
How very brilliant of you to deduce that my son is an Aspie, yet I am not. And wow...my motherhood being biological only. Those are some pretty big words. What exactly is my problem with Aspergers? I may not be an Aspie, but I am doing my best to understand it so I CAN be the best mom to my son.
Oh..and thanks for the support. Lord only knows how important it is for me to help myself, so a moron like you can feel like you're on top of your game *wink* It's fun getting a rise out of you. Keep it coming..I could go all day.
Just to come "out of the closet" I was the person who sent a PM to Kattoo13 about M. I said that I had a hard time with M when I first started here because of a particularly rude post M placed on one of my very first threads here.
Here was my text:
This is my first post, I am not sure I am placing it in the right spot, and hope for your understanding.
Hm, this may be controversial, and to start, I am very new to this whole Asperger's thing. My husband's personality is like a laundry list of Aspie behaviors. We just started learning about this 2 weeks ago. We have been married for 14 years and have a wonderful child, who has severe learning disabilities and who I think may be on the spectrum somewhere.
I need information on how likely it is to pass on AS, and how likely it is to pass on full-blown Autism.
We are seriously considering whether or not it is smart to bring another child into our family, since my husband is believed to be an Aspie and would be parenting two children full time at home, would it be too much on him and our daughter and possibly said new child if the child was severely Autistic?
Please be kind, I am still learning and reading. You guys are the experts, and I am asking for help.
These were the words M had to my post:
If you want to have more children, then consider this: anything could happen. One of your older children could have an accident and become severely physically disabled -- would you give them away or kill them? So why are you not going to love this future child if they might not be "perfect".
So I responded today that this was not the first time I had seen that type of behavior with M and that I was not going to confront M about it, as Kattoo13 was perfectly capable of caring for herself.
I will not engage with you Jiggeryqua, but I did want to open up about my part in this.
Thank you, Korrigan.
Good morning sunshine (or should I say jiggeryqua, so you know i am directing this to you)...I didn't bother to read what you wrote. I'm not going to waste anymore of my time reading your nonsense. But I will say this. It seems you may have been "bullied" by one too many "NT's" in your life, and perhaps I'm bringing back bad memories?? I find it amusing that you come across as wanting to have some "rank", since perhaps you don't have any in real life. Let me break something down to you and your pea brain..Assholes are assholes. They are found in "NT's" (as you put it), as well as with "Aspies" (you being a perfect example). Don't get your panties into a bunch because I responded to somebody on this forum who I felt needed to be put in their place. The next time you butt your nose into some thread, take the time to do a little research. It's quite obvious (of course maybe not to you) that this M person has a knack for being rude. He/she just happened to try it on the wrong person. Have a nice day!
As a clarification, again, my issue with M, which is long over, was that what M said bore no reflection of anything I had said in my post. Few things bother me more than when I feel as if words are inserted into my mouth. To ask "why are you not going to love this future child if they might not be "perfect"" is a horrible thing to say. Unless of course, I said it. Since I did not say it, I did not appreciate it. This was not a misunderstanding, this was a direct misstatement.
It seemed to me like it was rather similar today. M responded to Kattoo’s post with “Do you exaggerate your son's concerns? yes.” and “welcome to the wonderful world of asperger's”. Both of these comments could be a misunderstanding, right?
But then, to come to another thread and say “I am also annoyed by these "parents" showing up here. They ask stupid questions and then when I do reply they are like "oh, you don't have to be so rude. I meant to ask this." Then why didn't you ask "this" and not try to make this forum into some "parent complaining about their kids with autism forum". Aren't there enough of those already?”
While this was pulled from another thread and names were not mentioned, it seems obvious enough who M was taking about.
Kattoo did not complain about her son. Which is what is upsetting, as it is again, placing words into people’s mouths. There is a very large difference between a misunderstanding and a direct misstatement.
The worst part for me, just me, is that M never does return to the threads. It ends up being a “drop a bomb of incorrect information and leave.” If it is a misunderstanding, come back and clear it up.
But then again, maybe I am misunderstanding...
Very well put, Korrigan. You and maybe a few others in this thread seem to be able to understand the WHOLE story.
There are some Aspies who have semantic-pragmatic difficulty and a lot with some form of reading comprehension difficulty. To call someone stupid on the basis of misunderstanding your words is, in my opinion, not very nice at all. You're insulting a lot of people with AS, including me, who aren't great at reading comprehension.
If you an insult an Aspie's intelligence, you insult all of them--people with AS tend to substitute their intelligence for personal worth, and I guess it's the lack of social skills that leads to this.
I know this...my son has difficulty with pragmatics. But let me just say this, If somebody doesn't understand what somebody is saying,then couldn't they ask that it be clarified?? IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out..Aspie or no Aspie. I called M an idiot on the basis of his initial rude reply. It was further exacerbated by the fact that M felt the need to post an entire thread stating how "parents ask stupid questions." How is that any better?? Do you think I give a shit that YOU feel ALL aspies are insulted? Really, this is just the internet. People will say things that not everybody agrees with. That's part of life...deal with it.
Sorry M another tangent:
What happened here... - which was ironically quite a tangent - and I notice you follow your rule of not answering back or you went to sleep another good idea!- So somehow this thread ran away, someone took it - maybe it will come back or you'll try again- I love the topic - IIt seem sto me you tried to avoid this (drama - I guess on another thread and it followed?) and further more - it seems to me - you started a thread about how to deal with it and then asked a simple question about when it is proper to use the PM - can it be used to help stop misunderstandings. I am a supposed NT and this is all tricky without set rules - there are alot of kids in this playground.
That was probably the intent, but starting a new thread that is available to everyone isn't actually "not responding". It's a response.
Also, it's a response that can't be "swept over", which is why I say that it is probably worse than an outburst in the other thread would be - An angry outburst can be ignored, allowing the conversation to continue. A new thread, however, can only revolve around the argument.
For the record, here's the thread being referred to: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...#pid201839
M was angry about the responses, so posted this new thread here.
To put it another way, an angry outburst would be the online equivelant of calling someone an idiot, whereas starting a new thread would be the equivelant of turning your back on the person and yelling "Hey everyone! I think (person x) is an idiot!"...
EvilZakkie and Atypical...kudos.
I feel the need to weight in just once to say -
kattoo13, quit calling people moron's and idiot and nitwits. Putting other people down will not make you feel better about yourself and it will not make you the winner of the argument.
Another example of a nitwit. Do you really think I'm on here to "win" an argument? I have posted threads in this forum which are in regards to my son who is an Aspie. Did you take the time to look at the initial thread that started all this? Did you notice that M was the one who felt the need to start another thread to point out parents who ask "stupid" questions? I feel like I am speaking to a brick wall. I already feel fine with myself, but I am responding to this thread and the previous negative comment that was left in MY thread about my son. Do a little research before you try and come in with your 2 cents.
This is a nasty nasty post. You know katoo13 I might have even taken your side, that M made an out of line comment to you on your thread, but not now. You are so cruel with this post and you have just been getting meaner throughout this thread. I know I've been bullied in real life and I also know this post is you being a bully. Just stop it.
Wait...you might have taken my side? Really? Ask me if I care..
PS - Bella, if my comments are so upsetting to you then leave the thread. Nobody is forcing you to stay, so stop your whining.
jiggeryqua (Yes, I'm still speaking to you),
I already told you I wasn't going to waste my time reading your reply, but since you're a bit slow in understanding, yo post another? LOL I hate to break it to you, but I didn't read the second reply either. It's so fun pushing your buttons!! This makes my day at work go by a lot faster..thanks!
I'm done taking sides on this one too. M may have started this, but now it's all you, Kattoo.
Word.
I'm done taking sides on this one too. M may have started this, but now it's all you, Kattoo.
Word.
For clarities sake, that wasn't a statement of approval. You've taken the insults too far.
I know...I'm not looking for approval. Word is just another way of saying "ok"....I don't expect anybody to be on my "side" and I'm not concerned that some people may take offense. I'm just being me. If people don't like the heat, they can get out of the kitchen 
And I'm still talking to you, kattoo- though how you knew that when you pretend you have your fingers in your ears while you sing 'la la la la la' is beyond me.
Thanks though, for demonstrating once again who is the problem here - who it is who really does have their panties in a bunch, who the reallly offensive asshole is, who really can't stop themselves being rude, who can't demonstrate maturity, who thinks they can somehow 'win', who thinks that the aspies can just clear off from AFF if they don't like the 'heat' of your abusive presence.
I'm not sure anybody (except perhaps korrigan, who shares many of your traits) is on your side - or ever has been, which may explain your approach to the world. Thank you for clarifying your position, to myself, the other users and the moderators.
You can't get enough of me....lol Still didn't read it.
I've never seen Korrigan being abusive like kattoo13 has been. I thought her post was fine. This has become more than that now anyway... I wish you would stop responding jiggeryqua. Kattoo13 is making herself look bad without any of your help.
Once again, Bella....Why do you think I care if I look "bad" to people on the INTERNET?? bajesus lol