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Double posting this backs up my suspicions that you are merely spamming.
I wouldn't deny that aspies could learn techniques that could help them in social situations, but I wouldn't call that a cure.

RealityBites Wrote:

Gareth Wrote:
Double posting this backs up my suspicions that you are merely spamming.


I posted it twice because I thought it was relevant to both topics.  But tell me, given that I just opened up and shared my entire life story for the first time, what else makes you consider this spamming?


A useless post on a forum.

[RealityBites wrote] If you suffer from Asperger’s, accept your weaknesses and find your strengths.

I remember reading somewhere in the forums,If you suffer from asperger's then you're doing it wrong.

TLBig GrinR.

Chosen 1 Wrote:
I remember reading somewhere in the forums,If you suffer from asperger's then you're doing it wrong.

Yeah, that's the language used here, but guess I'll be patient about RealityBite's when it comes to knowing and respecting our lingo.

A few thoughts:

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I adopted the mindset that popularity is a good thing, and that anyone who says otherwise is simply jealous (frankly, I will always believe this).


People who disagree aren't necessarily jealous.

There's a big difference between quality and quantity. If you can't be honest with your 'friends' about being an Aspie, then what's the point really in having a group of them. It is possible to be lonely even when you are surrounded by a group of people.

And in being yourself you are going to inevitably alienate some people or even most people. That's okay because a few good friendships are far more valuable than a group of superficial ones.

I had an active social life in college and it was exhausting. It's a lot nicer now that I have fewer friends and that things have slowed down. If someone else likes to go out constantly that's fine, but it's just not for me. And it's nice to avoid a lot of the ~drama~ that usually accompanies large groups of friends.

I find that people looking for popularity are looking for approval. Truth is, self-esteem comes from within. One person can never be all things to all people and that is what popularity requires.

Being well-liked is different from being popular, however well-liked people tend to be true to themselves.

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However, I disagree with the idea that we should have the government fund “programs” for us, because this is patronizing and condescending.


Well some people need extra help and there is nothing wrong with needing extra help. What is wrong is being afraid to ask for help.

You may not need assistance in your life, but others do. Those that need more help aren't less than the ones that don't, it's just that their weaknesses are different or more profound than yours.

Asking for help and needing help does not make a person weak. Often times it is very hard for a person to admit that he or she needs assistance and even harder to ask for it.

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However, because of my past, I had not developed the skills necessary to attract these girls for a long-term (or even short-term) relationship.  


Or maybe you can't have a romantic relationship because you're a phony. Putting on a false front isn't a great way to start off an intimate relationship.

It's one thing to incorporate self-help tips into your life. There's nothing wrong with that. However it's quite another kettle of fish altogether when you are trying to be someone else.  

Furthermore most NT adults struggle with romantic relationships. They aren't easy for anyone and being an Aspie doesn't mean that you are condemned to be single forever.

If you want true friendships and romantic relationships, then start being yourself and quit being a coward. No it's not easy, but it sure beats crying in your beer.

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I may or may not have clinical Asperger’s Syndrome, but my lack of socializing in childhood means I will never reach the level of a normal person.


I was socialized as a child and I still will never be what is considered normal. So what!

I'm not going to resign myself to some depressing fate or throw a pity party for myself. I'm too busy living instead.

You are your own jailer. Not autism or anyone/anything else. It's your choice whether to make the most out of life or to be a professional victim.

No, I wasn't always confident or comfortable with myself. It took me a long time to find myself and to happy with the way that I am. However life isn't any easier for the NT people out there.

At first I though RealityBites was repeating what Matt_T wrote in this thread:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=5503

Ivar T Wrote:
At first I though RealityBites was repeating what Matt_T wrote in this thread:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=5503


Well that poster, form your suppleis link.. thanks IvarT,  seemed to say because he was able to act differently, he was misdiagnosed after all.  Seems different then one who could pretend to be NT for short bursts when there isn't alot of stress.  I know my son does really well - most will not notice any difference - at least under the right circumstances, interacting etc., .  Which rung true for me from reality's posts and many other aspies.  When stress or failures occur, then his difficulties really bubble up and anxiety and distress, external behaviors too, can go up exponentially without support.   it's me atypical

RealityBites Wrote:
I had a decent time there, since I mostly stuck with the people I knew (my brothers, their girlfriends, etc.)  However, this trip was also a major reality check for me.  Several of the girls who I had always wanted to hook up with were there.  I realized that I could not possibly go up and talk to them, nor could I dance with them like most of the guys there.  Although I tried my best, I could not hold a long enough conversation to get them into bed.


Most women aren't into guys who are obviously trying to manipulate them into shallow sexual relationships, unless said women are also looking for shallow sexual relationships.

Most people, in general, don't want to be manipulated.

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- It is better for me, and for society, if I contribute to the areas where I naturally have skill.  For me, these include sales and management.  For some, it may be math or science.  For others, it may be computers.  In any case, all of us Asperger’s people have one thing in common: it’s not popularity or coolness.


Some autistic people end up popular or cool, but not a lot.

I have a friend who is autistic, and her high school best friend was the sort of person who was popular by being nice to everyone.  And having that person as a best friend made her get into the cool crowd.

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- Whether we like to admit it or not, those of us with Asperger’s will never have a normal social life.  All we can do is accept this and move on.  


Autistic people can have a social life, though, even if it's not a normal one.

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- I agree with the Autism Rights Movement on some things, such as the fact that autistic people have some strengths and some weaknesses.   However, I disagree with the idea that we should have the government fund “programs” for us, because this is patronizing and condescending.


I don't feel patronized to or condescended to by the fact that I get government services the same as any other disabled person who needs them.

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- In a way, I have it worse than nearly everyone.  I have had a taste of the good life: I have experienced (although briefly) the benefits of being a normal, socially successful person and having attractive women drooling over me.  However, I now know that it was an illusion.  I must continue the rest of my life knowing that I will never truly experience the benefits of social success.


I had a taste of being what I thought was popular, and it did not stick with me as a good experience.  While popular people can be nice people, the people who hung around me were mostly not nice people.  The reason many of them hung around me at all was to have someone to make fun of who would keep coming back for more.  And even after not speaking to them for ages, some of them still won't leave me alone (mind you, we're adults now, and I knew these people for a short time during the age most people are in high school).

At the moment I have more friendships than I can keep track of (I can't track many at once), with people who have genuine relationships with me.  Not based on wanting to be cool, and not a popular crowd.  Just people who like each other for who we are.  And this is fine for me.  I don't miss the other way.  Most of my friends are autistic or have other disabilities, and we probably don't have a "normal" social life, but we have a perfectly satisfying one, more satisfying to me than my best attempts at a "normal" one.

RealityBites Wrote:

Gareth Wrote:
Double posting this backs up my suspicions that you are merely spamming.


I posted it twice because I thought it was relevant to both topics.  But tell me, given that I just opened up and shared my entire life story for the first time, what else makes you consider this spamming?


"Only $20 for <full name of author and full name of book>"

ye gods, wall of text!


a heads up; we dont "suffer" from Autism. It is a part of whom we are.
if you say "suffer from autism", then you are going to catch flak.

pikajedi4 Wrote:
ye gods, wall of text!


a heads up; we dont "suffer" from Autism. It is a part of whom we are.
if you say "suffer from autism", then you are going to catch flak.


Damn straight!

Whoever says that is full of fail themselves!

Who deleted my post?

We're into censorship now?
Oh

huuuuuur wrong thread

Sorry XD
Generally, double-posting is rude at the very least. Especially when your post does not mention "Action against pro-cure groups", it's a personal story. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt however.
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