Aspies For Freedom

M and Ivar - love the vibe....

I am always FOR positive things - putting positive things out there as opposed to Arguing with others about negative things that exist.

The light erases the dark.

I can see where you are trying to go with this thread but alas, have nothing coming to mind right now.  I am hopeful for a spark.

Your original post, non violence that changes things - read about Martin Luther King Jr. (The reverend) or what do you mean?


by   :  " Where can I learn more about non-violence and non-violence that can affect change?  
I am not interested in any discussion that promotes violence even against the worst offenders against autistic people.  So don't start it.
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Darn _ I need a delete function - if any of the moderators want to make better my post above - please do.

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I should read this every day M - to change my mind set.


Thanks Lucie or posting his speech - M here is one paragraph of that speech that I try to live by (I kid you not) my aspie son John thinks that the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. is the most inspiring man:

But there is another way. And that is to organize mass non-violent resistance based on the principle of love. It seems to me that this is the only way as our eyes look to the future. As we look out across the years and across the generations, let us develop and move right here. We must discover the power of love, the power, the redemptive power of love. And when we discover that we will be able to make of this old world a new world. We will be able to make men better. Love is the only way.

Ivar T, I followed the link on that Dubai autism center - they DO seem to have a good mission statement and seem to be following a good model for teaching their kids.  They follow some US North Carolina TEACH program in addtion to a kind of ABA - don't know about TEACH. Their social worker's statement, educational techniques goes into teaching and using ABA on the teachers as much as the kid and that the kid is always right.

I am sickened by what I now know of the JRC - I didn't even know it existed.  I am so thankful that I am in my own happy world here with my three kids and that is my focus.  I could see how I could get all worked up by yet another horrible injustice out in the world.  I do think that Love is the answer though and that lightness is the best way to fight darkness.  NOT violence against others, no way.
Gareth said, and I agree, use enough "Force" to stop someone else from harming another- particularly a child. Force in that case is not violence- violence is intensity, force, vehemence, assault or outrage, improper force, furious, passionate.So in my dictionary and I think your Webster's too - if I defended another I would not be accused of violence but of defending another. Violence / improper force is illegal. So in my dictionary and I think your Webster's too - if I defended another I would not be accused of violence but of defending another.  (I would disagree vehemently with people who rationalize that is okay to bomb a health clinic (of course thank God it rarely has happened) these clinics do abortions, but many an innocent will be harmed in order to save harm of a few. (I am not going to get into the topic of abortions though, it's besides the point, anyway) Agreed somtimes it IS personal for people and a sickening feeling of revenge wells up in them.  I pray for all those people who feel that violence to another is the the answer.

Physical ... spanking - don't use it - might have worked ok on 2 of my kids - my folks used it - and we are fine.  With John, no way - he's the oldest and when he was about 4ish (a few months or so after he started looking at us again and speaking intelligably again) I forget what the situation was, I smacked him on his bottom.  Well he turned around and said "people don't hit people, isn't that what you said" boy was he shockingly peeved at me, I wondered if he'd ever forget it - well it was obvious that I should never corss that very serious to him, boundary.  With him, a mean voice, or threats, anything negative will bring out a negative,  I am thankful he sticks up for himself. WHy not expect respect.

yes, on the dubai site, it is one on one - the ABA they talk about. I guess more new terminology will have to be created to differentiate.

gareth, it is very sad and wrong that some parents abdicate their responsibility to their children to so called professionals and delude themselves into thinking that those types of behavior management techniques - (if they even are aware of them- some parents haevn't even done due diligence) the end justifies the means or that the JRC 's way is the only way, they don't know that their kid would be better off without (to my way of thinking) the first do no harm technique.  Some people are just ignorant, I feel bad for them all, I don't hate them though.
I'd like to see someone arrest me and get the charges to stick if I interfered with ans stopped a kid from being struck.  In this day and age of cameras and Utube - the amount of people that would march against such things - sorry - can't be my cause right now - battling for my own childrens lives right now....

You made some obviously pertinent points Gareth.

But - I can see so much good in Martin Luther's speech.

Today I feel like screaming at my bosses - but I know if I keep a feeling of love in my heart I can cope better - probably manage the situation better - and end up feeling happier with the outcome.
There is no way I love my bosses - my feelings are more akin to hate - but hate breeds hate.
I have to keep a feeling of peace and love in my heart --- for my own sake.
This is my personal take on King's message, I can't change how other people are - but I change how I feel and how I react to things. I believe Martin Luther Kings message offers hope and a way of coping with injustice.
I really believe strongly in what goes around comes around.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1747706

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/1747034

I like the way these guys demonstrated - they certainly made a point - with a very peaceful approach.

When asked if they intended to press charges - they stated "no, they intended to go home and have a cup of tea with some chinese takeaways".

honestjohn Wrote:
I'd like to see someone arrest me and get the charges to stick if I interfered with AND stopped a kid from being struck.  In this day and age of cameras and Utube - the amount of people that would march against such things - sorry - can't be my cause right now - battling for my own childrens lives right now....

M asked back" You would interfere with what?  ans?  What is that?"

Sorry M, not ans, AND, I was responding to a point by - I think maybe Gareth - about the JRC and how if someone interfered with their so called "medical duties or therapy" as pertains to an autistic child - that person would be arrested, for interfering even if the "treatment" the JRC clinician was using was hitting a child.

Sometimes just the sheer numbers of even quite peaceful marchers can seem "powerful" and the government, particularly elected, officials will / can then acquiesce and/or change course on an issue.

"I" statements... instead of "you" statements.  Fix the problem not the blame.
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What is non-violence in written language dialogue --- no threats?  A personal attack might be "You are so stupid because ......." but it is not if you say "your idea is wrong because ........."

Please elaborate.  

I am not a pacifist.  I believe in war among nations for just reason.  I also believe that capital punishment is permissible in some cases.  I do not believe in terrorist acts.
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