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first off;

get Firefox. Internet Explorer has many vunerablities, and is just an all round inferior browser

second.
HP put bloatware on it?

easy enough to remove.
Decrapifier

third
Vista as an OS is an attempt to mature a little. you can see this in the UAC thing, something that should really have been implemented a long time ago. it only  pops when a program requires admin access, which a lot of the time is a program being over priviliaged. I would advice you to leave it on, it catches things like Realplayer (urgh).

slow to boot? what are your specs?
I can boot in under 15 seconds, with 3GB RAM and a Q6600 @2.4.
try bringing up msconfig (press windows+r, type in msconfig) and turning off everything that you dont need at startup; iTunes, Adobe, everything.
damn, didnt actually finish that.

fourth, this is a Vista box, and I dont think it is as bad as people make out. I rather like it. heh. I remember people saying similar things about XP, you know...

other than my advice above, the best way to speed up a recalcitrant machine is to whack some more/better RAM into it. you can spend about £15 and get another gig of RAM, unless you have DDR3, then whee! expensive. but that doesnt always solve it, if the RAM itself is slow. dont get kingston or valuram, they suck. Corsair do a nice selection of cheap RAM, and its good stuff too.

I would recommend another gig, of something likeXMS2. but this is only if you have less than 2GB anyway. thats what I would say is the minumum for gaming and whatnot not anyway.
This general remark can be found here.


There are several news reports from a Gartner conference in Las Vegas this week that included a session titled "Windows Is Collapsing: How What Comes Next Will Improve." Gartner may not be stellar at identifying industry trends, but they sure know how to pick controversial session titles.

Given that Microsoft (NSDQ: MSFT) Windows has a near-lock on the corporate desktop market today, I suppose Gartner is right that there's nowhere to go but down. But "collapsing" is harsh, Gartner-analyst-dudes, and most likely way off base. This is one of those presentations where you hope that the news reports have it wrong, just to spare Gartner the embarrassment of looking so lame. I'll just touch on a few of the strange take-aways from reports on this session.

The Gartner-ites asserted that "Windows as we know it needs to be replaced" and that Windows may need multiple kernels because "one size doesn’t fit all." Indeed, that may be why Microsoft already has Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows Mobile, and Windows XP Embedded, not to mention those still-kicking classics like Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Most developers can't write good code for even one version of Windows. Now we have two desktop versions out there -- XP and Vista; Vista suffers because XP still gets more developer attention by virtue of larger market share. More versions of Windows just make this problem worse.

Gartnerian logic says the large Windows code base makes it impossible to do anything more in a new version than just deliver a few incremental improvements. I guess it depends on how you define improvements. In my eyes, Vista's sin was not in making too many incremental improvements, but in adding too much bloat. That was compounded by a new device driver model, which (at least initially) prevented many devices from working properly. The early rumors on Windows 7 seem to indicate that Microsoft finally caught on to the less-is-more philosophy, but we'll see.

Finally, the analysts said that companies shouldn't skip Vista, but instead ease Vista in as old systems are replaced. That's supposedly because Windows 7 isn't going to be here until 2009. What's wrong with staying on XP until Windows 7 comes out then, since XP is supported through 2011? There's no reason for corporate IT to support two "collapsing" versions of Windows when they can support just one.

Perhaps the most important reason that Windows isn't collapsing is that nothing happens quickly in corporate America. Over the next 10 years, some companies may move to Macs for desktops and Linux for servers or portable devices. Others may outsource the functions through software-as-a-service companies and not care what OS is used. Yet I'm willing to bet that there will still be plenty of uncollapsed Windows in companies a decade from now.



Some more details on that from here.


"For Microsoft, its ecosystem and its customers, the situation is untenable," said Silver and MacDonald in their prepared presentation, titled "Windows Is Collapsing: How What Comes Next Will Improve."

Among Microsoft's problems, the pair said, is Windows' rapidly-expanding code base, which makes it virtually impossible to quickly craft a new version with meaningful changes. That was proved by Vista, they said, when Microsoft -- frustrated by lack of progress during the five-year development effort on the new operating -- hit the "reset" button and dropped back to the more stable code of Windows Server 2003 as the foundation of Vista.

"This is a large part of the reason [why] Windows Vista delivered primarily incremental improvements," they said. In turn, that became one of the reasons why businesses pushed back Vista deployment plans. "Most users do not understand the benefits of Windows Vista or do not see Vista as being better enough than Windows XP to make incurring the cost and pain of migration worthwhile."

Other analysts, including those at Gartner rival Forrester Research Inc., have highlighted the slow move toward Vista. Last month, Forrester said that by the end of 2007 only 6.3% of 50,000 enterprise computer users it surveyed were working with Vista. What gains Vista made during its first year, added Forrester, appeared to be at the expense of Windows 2000; Windows XP's share hardly budged.

The monolithic nature of Windows -- although Microsoft talks about Vista's modularity, Silver and MacDonald said it doesn't go nearly far enough -- not only makes it tough to deliver a worthwhile upgrade, but threatens Microsoft in the mid- and long-term.
the problem with Vista is it has a lot of "legacy" code, stuff that goes back to the 9x series, to ensure compatibilty.
and 07 is just going to make things worse, because they are removing the legacy code, which will - guess what - break..oh so many things.

pikajedi4 Wrote:
the problem with Vista is it has a lot of "legacy" code, stuff that goes back to the 9x series, to ensure compatibilty.
and 07 is just going to make things worse, because they are removing the legacy code, which will - guess what - break..oh so many things.


my machine is dual boot XP and Vista   I like em both , certain things I would rather do on XP tho

Pikajedi you are a lifesaver with your computer expertise.

atypical Wrote:
Pikajedi you are a lifesaver with your computer expertise.


oh, hush. thats just basic stuff, its the first thing you do to speed up a computer; kill the startup processes and, money and OS permitting, whack more RAM on it.

No but, I KNEW that, but you EXPLAINED it so I could actually do it.  The way you can convey your knowledge is really something.

honestjohn Wrote:
No but, I KNEW that, but you EXPLAINED it so I could actually do it.  The way you can convey your knowledge is really something.


hah. in type maybe, but not in person.


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the problem with Vista is it has a lot of "legacy" code, stuff that goes back to the 9x series, to ensure compatibilty.


At least it's not as bad as the Palm OS compatibility model, which is basically you get a faster CPU, which older apps can't run on--so you run everything in an emulator that slows it down to about the original speed. Right now, there are about 15 apps for palm that are ARM-native.

thats a stepping problem, happens with old DOS programs too, where the speed of the game was actually tied to the clock speed of the CPU Rolleyes

RavenFeather Wrote:
What are your opinions on Windows Vista? Everyone I've asked says it sucks.

I just got a new computer with the Windows Vista OS already installed on it. I was thinking of wiping it out and installing XP instead (from a disk from a previous computer), but my dad said I'd better not -- "Because soon XP will be outdated and you may not be able to get updates for it anymore," he says.

Vista can be pretty slow loading up and a bit buggy. For some reason, it likes to close Internet Explorer sometimes and then restart it. It's very annoying.

Since I've chosen to leave Vista in my computer, is there any way I can make it better or faster? I don't like the HP Yahoo Search Toolbar at the bottom. Does anyone know how to get rid of that feature or at least get it off the taskbar?


Don't immediately blame Vista!

Because, for number one, HPs are known to be bundled with excessive amounts of software!

You need to uninstall lots of software.

correct RJAR.
see the second post Tongue

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thats a stepping problem, happens with old DOS programs too, where the speed of the game was actually tied to the clock speed of the CPU


No, the problem is that Palm can't make a good way to code ARM-native apps. So you have the "upgraded" CPU, which runs about 10x faster than the Dragonballs, and then you have the emulator which slows it down to by only about 3x faster than the original. Which is just fast enough to get stepping problems

oh, I see...
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