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for a person who was pretty pro neurodiverse for a long time, he may have turned a complete 180 in supporting autism speaks and now supporting anti-vaxxers maybe.

http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/04/oba...autism.php

thoughts?
is that good? i can't view the link from the school computer, so i can't tell... ._.;;
here's what he said yesterday for those that can't view the link.

"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it."
--Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008.

bravesj858 Wrote:
here's what he said yesterday for those that can't view the link.

"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it."
--Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008.


Wait, I listened to every word of his Pittsburgh rally yesterday and I didn't hear him say that. Well, since I like him - being Suspicious isn't a bad thing.

Suspicion doesn't equal fact. I'm sure that if he said that, it was for attention - not his personal belief. I'm all for the research being done because I'm confident it will show there is no connection and we have nothing to worry about.
I mean in general it would be correct to be suspicious about studies, statistics, politics, etc., I think suspicious was the best word to use to be able to go either way. (statistics can go either way too depending on who is reading them and what they want to get out of them) Someone can say I have my suspicions and it could go either way (just saying).
Without getting too much into the details on a public forum: Obama has been influenced by antivaxers who got involved with his campaign.  However, there are also some neurodiversity supporters (including some names you would recognize) among his advisors who are working to set things straight.

Autism Speaks is not involved, to the best of my knowledge.
I have to say - hopefully he will be a person who will have many differnt supporters and advisors - with different viewpoints - and he will show and prove himself to be a good listener - not like the current president who is being fed one view all the time. Got Hope?
B"H

The vaccine issue is one that can appeal to a great many people within the liberal and left camps.  Many of them will support Sen. Obama, although this view has become mainstream, and can probably be found within the Clinton camp.  This view is also found on the extreme Right end of the Spectrum, as well as among Republicans.  It can even be found within the McCain camp.  

Personally, I think that it is a good idea to cleanse out Mercury from vaccines, just because it is a toxin.  That is not to say that I agree with the anti-vaccine agitators.  I do not trust the government or the corporations, to be sure, but I do believe in sound medical science.  Having Influenza come back on a global scale does not sound like my idea of sound health policy...

All the best.
That is what I am saying - as a homeopath - toxins are bad - for everyone.  Avoid putting chemicals into adult bodies, but by all means do not put them into little defenseless babies.  My whole family is genetically sensitive to chemicals and toxins (no allergies) but very sensitive.
A thought occurred to me.  Banning mercury in vaccines won't iradicate us, because mercury and autism are unrelated.  However, if the curebies are willing to waste their time and money on it, that means they'll have less time and money to put toward a genocide, if they have that in mind.  Our resources should be going to making the world realize that we are happy and a valuable part of society.  If we achieve this before a cure is discovered, we win our battle.  Let's not worry so much about people arguing over what causes autism, instead defending our right to existence as a culture and acceptance as individuals.

ASPowerations Wrote:
A thought occurred to me.  Banning mercury in vaccines won't iradicate us, because mercury and autism are unrelated.  However, if the curebies are willing to waste their time and money on it, that means they'll have less time and money to put toward a genocide, if they have that in mind.  Our resources should be going to making the world realize that we are happy and a valuable part of society.  If we achieve this before a cure is discovered, we win our battle.  Let's not worry so much about people arguing over what causes autism, instead defending our right to existence as a culture and acceptance as individuals.


I agree that the emphasis should be on building acceptance and supports, rather than diverting our energy to convincing the public of the lack of the vaccine-autism causation. That's an issue of public health, and while many of us express concern for public health, as a political group for autistic rights and acceptance, this is not a central goal and is at most at the periphery.

The reason I support Obama the most on autism-related issues is because he is the candidate who seems to be most in touch with the interests of the autistic community as well as disability issues in general. And besides, as a politician, especially one running for president, they're going to say a lot of stuff their advisors say they should to get certain reactions, or to attract a particular segment of the voters (heck, all three of the candidates have spoken about suspicions in vaccines, and talked about epidemics, and such).

I thought that they did the research about the autism-vaccine connection and found out there is no connection. After the mercury was removed from the vaccines, there was an increase of autism cases, not decreases. Many believe that genetics play a role and plan on doing sibling studies to find out the genetic connection, but I think that they should do the parent-offspring study to find the genetic connection.
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