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It is law in the uk that all dogs(with certain exemptions for some working dogs) must have a collar tag. my dogs have ears tattoos and my pony is chipped and freeze marked - not taking any chances there.... mind you anyone nicking him would probably bring the little darling right back!
I suppose it saves space...?

SwanGeese Wrote:

Korrigan Wrote:
Take a few minutes if you can and see if you can find the Bullsh*t episode that was on Showtime a year or two ago about PETA.  It was very interesting and a real eye-opener.


Ask and you shall receive.

This is part one. The other two parts are available from the same user.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRk7ygbkA-c


That was really interesting and disturbing to watch... especially to hear them saying they wanted to completely liberate animals, meaning not even allowed to have them as pets.  I was working for The Multiple Sclerosis Society and I had a lady call once to ask if her donation money went to animal research... I think animal research is necessary for things like that, however only in terms of curing diseases, not just for cosmetic research.

Natalie Wrote:

Marcia Wrote:
Are those your snakes in that brilliant photograph?  They are beautiful - posing for the camera in their "not-afraid" mood! Smile

Yes, those are a few of my snakes. The fatter ones are Kenyan Sand Boas and the black-and-white one is a Rosy Boa.


I've never thought of snakes as cute before, but those are.

That's interesting. I hadn't realised it was the shorter faces that I had perceived as being cute. They do have a twinkly look about them, like they're happy snakes.

I actually really like the feel of snakes... they're sort of velvety in feel if my memory serves me correctly...

How many snakes do you have?
Meh, PETA wants to do good, but they just don't realize some fundamental things.

As I recall, someone associated with an animal rights group made comments about the deaths of some seal hunters, and placed the value of the seals, non-endangered animals, over the lives of those people.

I wish that guy would meet the families of those who died. He might not be so quick to place such a low value on human life.

Natalie Wrote:
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Some of those "animal rights" groups...


I totally agree with you. I bet most PETA fanatics are pampered, naive, upper-middle class suburbanites on a guilt trip that are ignorant of actual zoology and ecology and thus got suckered in by PETA's propaganda.

Your snakes are beautiful, BTW!!! Cool

unable to click,college filters; brief summary?
Just reading up this stuff makes me feel ill. I'm shocked, outraged, and thoroughly disgusted.
They target children, promote criminal behavior, commit crimes, libel and slander farmers, researchers, and they have a convicted felon, who committed crimes like Arson, speaking to elementary school students!

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_d...rticle/156
Consumer freedom has a lot of articles on PETA and PETA front groups. It makes for a good, yet disturbing read.
Korrigan I think he is alluding to that Daron Norwood country song Bad Dog, No Biscuit.  I have a CD for office play based on country music faves from Marshall University 1993-1996.  Also ran were Jimmy Buffett That's My Story and I'm Stickin' To It, Jeff Foxworthy Party All Night, Garth Brooks The Thunder Rolls, and the Dixie Chicks Goodbye Earl.

The post was not appropriate and I was not going to get a doggie treat.....
Ah, so they're biased as well. But I DID go and check out the PETA sites they were discussing as being lead-ups to becoming PETA members. That's just disgusting, targeting children like that, handing out comics where their parents are portrayed as monsters, and letting convicted felons into elementary schools to give lectures.

No matter how it's shown, I can't see PETA as being anything more than a destructive influence, a demeaning organization, and I think it's insulting that they put animals above, or even on direct parity with sentient beings. I don't think that means that animals don't have feelings, but as a human being, I put more value on human life than that of an animal. If I'm in a burning building, and there's an unconcious child and an unconcious dog, and I can only carry one... I'll take the kid. Sure, I don't like anything dying, and I don't think animals should be treated poorly, but somewhere, we've got to draw a line seperating humans and animals.

To make another quote; 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!'

Earlier, I mentioned a comment made by an Anti-sealing activist, and after a bit of digging, I've found a wikipedia article on the guy. His comment is in the Controversy section, I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Watson#Controversy
"In early April 2008, Watson stated that, while the deaths of three Canadian seal hunters (a fourth one is still missing) in a marine accident during the 2008 Canadian Commercial Seal Hunt may be considered tragic, he feels that the killing of seals is even more tragic. Canadian Federal Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn said that Watson is gutless, shameless, and without a shred of human decency."

So, moving onto another controversial topic...
Don't feel that I'm directing this at anyone here, I'm just blowing off some steam about the Seal Hunt.

The strange thing about all the protests of the seal hunt... there is no big crisis. The Seals are not going extinct. There is no underpopulation. They've been commercially hunting seals for a long time; It's been happening for decades, unless you go back to when the Inuit first started, but I have no idea how long that's been.

It's opposed because people envision cute fluffy baby seals being killed, despite a complete ban on all pups(animal rights groups are quick to shift the focus from adult seals to their cute cuddly little pups). The population is stable at over five million seals, and less than half a million are hunted each year. In fact, it's below 300,000 right now.

People just don't understand the real figures, the reality of the hunt, and let themselves drink up dark fantasies painted by animals rights groups. People don't feel nearly so guilty about their chicken, pork, beef, and fish. It's that the population of the animals being killed is wild, and the hunters have to hunt is what makes people act weird. They don't react the same to slaughterhouses, the animals there were bred to be killed and eaten. What's so bad, then, about hunting a seal?

As a Canadian, I stand by the Seal Hunt, and feel that it's a perfectly legitimate aspect of our economy. Sorry if you disagree, but I feel no guilt about the seal hunt. It's just another industry, and it's only considered "bad" because people don't like the idea of cute seals being killed to put food on plates, clothes on backs, and keep the population from overgrowing, causing fish shortages, and of course, the deaths of many seals from slow, painful starvation.

The seal hunt is more humane than what would be created in the vacuum of it's existence.
Aeolienne, they're a different species than what are hunted in Canada. Those are Grey seals, and yes, there are less than half a million of them, I believe. However, the Seals that are hunted in Canada are Harp seals, and have a population of over five million.

Sealing isn't as large an industry in Scotland, and they're more dependent on seals as a tourist attraction than they are on seal products. Besides, there is a need for intercession in sealing in Scotland; Just as there's a need for sealing in Canada.

Fox hunting, in my opinion, served no real purpose other than entertainment through an animal's suffering. There are valid reasons for the seal hunt; It's not just being done for s**ts and giggles.

Those anti-seal-killing people who're protesting in Scotland, are doing so validly; There's a real threat to the seals, and action is appropriate. There is real, solid, hard reason for them to feel that it's an issue, because it is an issue, as opposed to the non-issue of the seal hunt. What are the reasons why the Canadian seal hunt is "bad?"
The critical elements are quick to plaster posters of baby seals and portray seal hunters as evil people, but in the end, what are their reasons behind opposing it?
Guilt is a big motivator.

And wild, feral animals are hardly cute when you're face to face with one. Black bears may not be that aggressive, but they still have enough strength to tear your limbs off, if they feel it's neccesary.
Watson, very informative.
I had a thought; A fake fur coat is made of harmful chemicals, artificially created with non-biodegradable substances. Would fur not be a better choice of clothing in the long run, and would it become a staple fabric, like leather? I think it may be a good step to take, to introduce limited commercial hunting. For example, deer; people would probably love to wear deer-skin clothing, eat some venison, and maybe use the bones and horns for something useful. But not everyone has the stomach, or the skill to be a hunter. I myself would like to experience it at least once in my lifetime. As long as we're humane, we've no more reason to feel guilty than we normally should.

Hunting your own meals can save some money. A good sized buck can make a lot of venison; You can smoke the meat, make steaks, maybe even try stir-frying it. I hear it's pretty gamey, but you won't know if you like it until you try it.

Sure, a balanced diet is good, but I prefer ads for balanced diets rather than an ad where my food is holocaust victims. That one, I tore out and burned.
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