Aspies For Freedom

And I think the timing of the legal action is rather cynical. Why couldn't they have dealt with it at the same time as the other lad? Seems to me that the authorities were waiting until the second boy turned 18 but I would have thought they couldn't try him as an adult if he were a juvenile when he was involved in blowing up the stumps.

Yes, I agree that a good behaviour bond and volunteer work in the forest would be far preferable to a jail sentence (which is clearly overkill for a first offence and particularly when the lad was not legally an adult AND he didn't understand the consequences of his actions).

He could be told that blowing up stumps destroys native habitats for creatures of the forest and shown how to care for the forest. It might even lead into a job vocation for him in the future.

By treating a youthful prank the same as a major heinous crime is to me, utter stupidity! Putting this lad in jail is hardly going to help him become a productive member of society. It will only traumatise him and lead to more problems.

This should have been treated as a misdemeanor right from the very start!
It is hardly on the same order of heinousness as a crime such as bombing a building.

The Zach,

It is a FACT that an Aspie does not understand consequential actions. It's not an excuse, it's a FACT. The way to get around that is to educate. What you have said does not educate at all - it assumes the boy involved should know when INHERENTLY he did not. Now instead of attacking the condition (Aspergers) if you are going to attack anything, go for the education side of matters instead.

Otherwise don't get involved in something that I'm not sure you really understand.

TheZach,
It is entirely possible that my son is not  as fortunate as yourself when it comes to his abilities to function in his day to day life. For instance, you obviously have skills on the computer & within the online community. He does not.

He suffered a traumatic brain injury when he was 2, has seizure syndrome and takes a variety of medications daily.
Once again, I am not looking for the case to be dismissed just for his own personal circumstances to be taken into account.

My reference to my son in Iraq etc. was made to highlight the fact that we are not the kind of people that think it is fine and dandy to 'do the wrong' thing.

I am here on this board to learn......not to offend or sicken anyone.

That's YOU, Zach. It's not every Aspie. I happen to know of at least one case down here which involved an Aspie who didn't understand consequences. He and some friends were tossing rocks at moving trains. He saw the fun in it - but did NOT see that rocks could break windows and hurt people on the other side. He had to have this explained to him specifically - otherwise he would not have known.

The boy got off by the way because of his Aspergers - and because he now understood why it was wrong and showed remorse for it.

It is perfectly feasible for an Aspie who doesn't understand consequences to see blowing up stumps as fun - but not realise it was wrong for whatever the reason. Unless he was TOLD (as you have been and as I have been - and probably many other Aspies as well).

Get it now?

Exactly, Ethel. Zach, you have no respect for the range of issues Aspies have with consequences - therefore I question your understanding of the effects of the condition. Do you - for example - understand the consequences of posting what you have?

I asked you earlier in this thread, TheZach, and I'm too angry at the moment to go back and check...You say you are a Christian, so how have your words and thoughts in this thread mirrored Christ?

Who were the people that Jesus didn't "want to be around anyway"?!

This has nothing to do with whether or not you are NT or Aspie.  You are being cruel.  

While I understand that *there (I believe you mean they're or they are) not the people you want to be around, having such a poor attitude will leave you a lonely and hateful person.  Wait, you already seem to be...

You should really just refrain from posting on this thread, and possibly move yourself on over to a "Why I am a jerk" posting.  Maybe then we could understand why you are so damn mean.

Oh HonestJohn, all is well with me.  I just do not like the idea of someone coming on here and asking for help, and someone picking on them.  You may not agree with their actions, you may not want to help them, but the unnecessary meanness is just too much for me.

But thank you for the concern.  Though it is Monday, and I do hate Mondays...

Ah, you're Ok Korrigan. Extra strong coffee needed for Mondays, for sure..
TheZach is being rude on purpose-he says he understands the consequences of his words/actions and ya can't blame aspergers for it.. So he is deliberately choosing to be this way...

To me the punishment here-deportation for blowing up tree stumps- just doesn't fit the 'crime'.  It's absurd, really.

And sadly ironic that one of the OP's sons has been sanctioned by the gov't to go to another country and perhaps blow things (and people) up-while another son is being threatened to be kicked out of his own country for blowing up tree stumps. - The gov't works in mysterious ways..

Ok.

1.  I am neither stupid nor lazy.
2.  I said I was angry, that's why I repeated my question without taking the time to go back and check it.
3.  I have now gone back and checked my question which was "Maybe you could tell us how you reflect Christ in these comments..."
4.  I knew you hadn't answered my question and having now checked your response, it was in fact, "Being Christian doesn't mean I have to tolerate people being idiots."  
5.  That's why I repeated my question, which you still haven't answered.  All you have done is make increasingly offensive remarks to even more people.
6.  Asking a Christian how he reflects, or mirrors, Christ in his words is not an attack on that person's character.

Oh, good, another thread disolves into a religious flame war.  I hope the mother in question gets the help she needs from a bloody good lawyer, now that her thread's been hijacked and beaten to a bloody pulp.

"Fuck 'em" isn't a phrase I associate with Jesus, to be honest.  Didn't he go on about tolerance, or kindness, or something like that?   I see precious little that that exhibited by the self-identified "Christian" here.

Ethel, you're right.

I am fairly certain Jesus never said "fuck 'em"... though he may have FELT like it at times..
Didn't he say 'Judge not' and  "forgive them- for they don't know what they are doing" or something like that?
Plus he said a whole bunch of  other lovely non judgemental things...

Bet if he posted in this thread he would tell this mom to get a good lawyer and wish her the best...

Maybe Marcia could help me out here with my ignorance of the bible quote-she seems to have a good handle on Christian kind of things here..

Well this forum really is ALL ABOUT YOU isn't it.  For goodness sake, Goddess forbid that you MIGHT actually be asked to be a decent human being.

At no time did I ask you to not have an opinion, at no time did I ask you to THINK anything.  Hold your opinions close and love them all you want.  All I have said, repeatedly, is that you should not attack and insult people at will.  

Your behavior is why people leave a forum like this.  She could have, once she got through her current situation, been a great contribution to the forum.  But you have chosen to ignore her potential assets and attack her and everyone who has chosen to stick up for her.  

Get a spell checker, a grammar checker, and an attitude checker.  Then take some time and perhaps consult a therapist near you to work on your anger issues.  This is not healthy behavior for anyone to have, and I sincerely doubt you would say any of these things to any of our faces.  You are a sad little boy hiding behind his PC screen where he can yell and scream at people all he wants to make himself feel better.  You are a sad person.

You're the only one turning it into a pissing contest, Thezach... which is a bit sad, since you're pissing into the wind.