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Here is his statement: http://www.barackobama.com/2008/04/02/ob...ort_of.php

Here are extracts from it:

"In current dollars, the cost of simply caring for each person with autism will be over $3 million - a devastating burden for virtually every family who is affected by this disorder."

"Those who face autism - or whose loved ones are facing it - are some of our most courageous Americans."

"[W]e must build a world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes and discrimination."

By "those who face autism" does Obama mean autistics?

I am disappointed that he used the "devastating burden" in respect of autism.
It would be my guess that whoever wrote this statement for him simply cut and pasted chunks from the Autism Squeals website, or more likely, whatever "information" they have provided to Obama's office.

honestjohn Wrote:
I wish that he had been more specific in his statement about "devastating" costs.  such as, devastating costs are incurred by families with school aged children.  Or, Our health care system has skyrocketing costs, devasting costs that are not covered, for many families, our local schools are not adequately staffed and equipped.  There needs to be a greater understanding of the full spectrum and individual needs of all school aged children .All of this can create a devasting burden on parents to find and create schools and programs that satisfy the needs of all our children.    Hey someone write me a speech - I'll email it to his wife... (I like Obama)

I also wish he had been more balanced and acknowledged that many of those families are facing "devastating" costs associated with ASDs in their families as a result of quackery and unproven 'therapies'.  

I also wish he had been more balanced and acknowledged that lots of people on the spectrum grow up to become adults who don't "burden" anyone, but who actually make valuable and/or useful contributions to society, including paying millions in tax dollars.

what a shame...i thought obama was going to stay away from the curebie stuff...i guess not.  i sure hope this was some curebie blather from one of his advisors, but with the whole church scandal a few weeks back, i don't trust him.

i'm also sick and tired of this 'cost to raise autistic people' as if we are totally 100% dependent on big government and can't do anything for themselves.  that's where we get the broken welfare programs from.  wonder how much it costs to care for nt people...alot more since they consume material goods.

i didn't know i was courageous for being autistic (sarcasm), i don't see my parents as some type of war heroes for raising me.  and they certainly didn't see me as a burden.  autism isn't this monster creature that we have to fight against in order to be human.  instead of fighting it, i embraced it, and turned out better than fighting myself.

we're screwed here in america, no matter who's president, look for more dehumanization soon, as we're looked as only hideous burdens devastating everything like some monster.  time to at least start looking at other countries.
He supported the Combating Autism Act.  I have not had a chance to really read too much of it, I am at work, but here is the information I found on that:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/...219-3.html
Fact Sheet: Combating Autism Act of 2006
  White House News
      President's Statement on Combating Autism Act of 2006
      President Signs H.R. 5466, H.R. 6143, S. 843, and S. 3678
"For the millions of Americans whose lives are affected by autism, today is a day of hope. The Combating Autism Act of 2006 will increase public awareness about this disorder and provide enhanced federal support for autism research and treatment. By creating a national education program for doctors and the public about autism, this legislation will help more people recognize the symptoms of autism. This will lead to early identification and intervention, which is critical for children with autism. I am proud to sign this bill into law and confident that it will serve as an important foundation for our Nation's efforts to find a cure for autism."

- President George W. Bush, 12/19/06



Today, President Bush Signed The Combating Autism Act Of 2006. This Act authorizes expanded activities related to autism research, prevention, and treatment through FY 2011. There are more than 1.5 million cases of autism in the United States.

Since The President Took Office, National Institutes Of Health (NIH) Funding For Autism-Related Research Has Increased By Over 80 Percent From $56 Million In FY 2001 To An Estimated $101 Million In The FY 2007 Budget, Including Support For Autism Centers of Excellence. In addition, the Budget includes approximately $15 million at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for autism surveillance and research, including five regional Centers of Excellence for Autism and Developmental Disabilities Research and Epidemiology. In October, CDC initiated a $5.9 million study to help identify factors that may put children at risk for autism spectrum disorders and other developmental disabilities.
The Combating Autism Act Enhances Research, Surveillance, And Education Regarding Autism Spectrum Disorder

The Act Authorizes Research Under NIH To Address The Entire Scope Of Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). Autism, sometimes called "classical autism," is the most common condition in a group of developmental disorders known as the autism spectrum disorders (ASDs). Other ASDs include Asperger syndrome, Rett syndrome, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (usually referred to as PDD-NOS).

The Act Authorizes Regional Centers Of Excellence For Autism Spectrum Disorder Research And Epidemiology. These Centers collect and analyze information on the number, incidence, correlates, and causes of ASD and other developmental disabilities. The Act also authorizes grants to States for collection, analysis, and dissemination of data related to autism.

The Act Authorizes Activities To Increase Public Awareness Of Autism, Improve The Ability Of Health Care Providers To Use Evidence-Based Interventions, And Increase Early Screening For Autism. The Act authorizes the Secretary of Health and Human Services to:

Provide information and education on ASD and other developmental disabilities to increase public awareness of developmental milestones;
Promote research into the development and validation of reliable screening tools for ASD and other developmental disabilities and disseminate information regarding those screening tools;
Promote early screening of individuals at higher risk for ASD and other developmental disabilities as early as practicable;
Increase the number of individuals who are able to confirm or rule out a diagnosis of ASD and other developmental disabilities;
Increase the number of individuals able to provide evidence-based interventions for individuals diagnosed with ASD or other developmental disabilities; and
Promote the use of evidence-based interventions for individuals at higher risk for ASD and other developmental disabilities as early as practicable.
The Act Calls On The Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC) To Enhance Information Sharing. The IACC provides a forum to facilitate the efficient and effective exchange of information about autism activities, programs, policies, and research among the Federal government, several non-profit groups, and the public. The Combating Autism Act requires the IACC to provide information and recommendations on ASD-related programs, and to continue its work to develop and update annually a strategic plan for ASD research.
I will make some people angry with this post I am sure.  All three of our children are "high-functioning." Even so, we were spending over $2000 per month on therapies out of pocket for a while last year. We had no way to do this without taking on debt. Acknowledging that the issues that can accompany any ASD might be costly doesn't bother me so very much.

jedimom777 Wrote:
Obama wasn't talking about everyone with Autism or Asperger's.  I am quite sure he doesn't understand the HUGE diversity that exists within this diagnosis.  

I worked intensively doing applied behavior analysis and training folks to do it in Graduate school and my awakeining here on AFF has been amazing.  After a couple of years of being immersed in what I thought was the world of autism, the fact that I worked pretty much exclusively with children with extreme cases severely limited my understandng of the whole picture.  I am not sure how many of you have been around a seven year old with zero language, constant stimming and severe tantrums, but it could easily be perceived as a devastating situation for the families.  Especially if they lack the resources to provide the constant teaching and care that helps so much.  Progress with these kids is a beautiful thing to see.  It is super rewarding to see your kid be integrated into school and become comparatively successful in more "normal" environments.  and for those families of children with severe symptoms, that is a dream which can sometimes come true and at the least, parents can expect that with time and teaching, they will be able to better communicate and facilitate communication.   I don't think Barack Obama is trying to be divisive.  I just think he might be referring those members of the population who have struggles beyond those of the folks on this forum. The Burden coment was certainly not meant for those with Asperger's who make such great contributions as I have read here.  I wish I had known about the different levels of Asperger's in a more personal way years ago.  Like in Grad school.  I guess that is what awareness is all about.  If you feel marginalized and put into a group that is a "burden" to society, maybe we should advocate better and let the world know just how broad this "Spectrum" is.  I have learned more about people in the last week of exploring this forum and others llike it than I did in a semester of graduate school.  And I had a great education... it's just that there is no substitute for seeing things from multiple perspectives.



woodpeace Wrote:
Here is his statement: http://www.barackobama.com/2008/04/02/ob...ort_of.php

Here are extracts from it:

"In current dollars, the cost of simply caring for each person with autism will be over $3 million - a devastating burden for virtually every family who is affected by this disorder."

"Those who face autism - or whose loved ones are facing it - are some of our most courageous Americans."

"[W]e must build a world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes and discrimination."

By "those who face autism" does Obama mean autistics?

I am disappointed that he used the "devastating burden" in respect of autism.


Of course how much people can contribute monetarily and such is extremely varied, and some people need full-time services. But I still think it is not good for anybody to look on such people as a burden. Not good for any disabled person to be described this way. (And even the most nonverbal among us may well be listening and understanding.)

While I started speaking at the expected times, it has always been difficult for me, and stress wears down my energy and makes it more difficult to speak, sometimes to the point where I can't at all, and more often to where I can only speak single words, or two-word phrases. Of course, I'm 18 now, so I have made a lot of progress with speech, despite not having much help from professionals until recently (even now it's not much, but still...). When I was in elementary school, I rarely spoke, as it was very noisy, and it was next to impossible for me to participate oftentimes. I had a 1-5 hour tantrum virtually every night at age 7 - 10.

In kindergarten and first grade, I would mostly not speak, and certainly rarely initiate speech, and I spent most of my time stimming and not understanding the spoken words of the kids and adults around me (stress also disrupts my understanding of spoken language, which is tenuous to begin with), and all I could discern at those times was that the teachers were mad at me and would sometimes yank my arm. Luckily, I didn't have much sense of my body or coordination of my movements, so my instinctual efforts to hit anyone who touched me mostly failed. I spent most of my time in these first school years staring at a wall rocking, or sorting beads, or really doing anything other than what I was supposed to be doing.

I had a lot of times where I would cry, or scream (most of the time I would scream was with the lunch ladies). I also banged my head a lot. Basically, if you just saw me at school, or when I was really stressed at home, you'd see someone who acted very much like one of the kids in the Autism Everyday video. If it weren't for my known ability to speak, and the fact that my dad is also on the spectrum (one thing he told me when I was young before knowing about autism was that he'd rock back and forth repeating "mommy come here!" and when he told me this at a young age I mimicked it Smile ), and if we'd had more money or known something more about the so-called milestones, then they might've had a diagnosis earlier, and perhaps a more gloomy "prognosis".

My mom certainly was exasperated, particularly as she worked hard at her job and had two other kids to take care of (I was the youngest, and it took me longer than my siblings to learn to do things like get dressed, wash or brush my hair, fix food, and later, to shave). My oldest sister was also quite a handful in her younger years, though in different ways. But I know she wouldn't think of it as being devastating (we have had conversations). Perhaps if she had been given such a negative view (i.e. make them close to normal or institution) as professionals often give or leave unaddressed upon diagnosis, then it would have seemed devastating to her. I wasn't diagnosed until fourth grade, though, and many of my actual difficulties (such as with speech) went completely unnoticed.

Since I had a relatively high IQ, and could talk, and was given the Asperger diagnosis, it was described that my greatest problems were in making friends (true that I was socially not practiced, but this mainly had to do with the fact that so few people accepted me that I didn't have much the same opportunity to socially interact (when I started high school at a school where the students are much more accepting of quirkiness, and I wasn't made fun of for pacing in English class, I made friends the first day). To this day my difficulties in speech are often ignored (except for the acknowledgement that I sometimes don't understand idioms, which is really the least of my difficulties) by the people who work in special services at my high school.

So while I understand why some families would see it as devastating, and don't really blame them (I blame the professionals who give the wrong signals to parents and media), it's not really an accuract reflection upon the condition of being autistic or being part of an autistic person's family, no matter how much or little services they need. It's a reflection, rather, on a society where parents are too often given misleading pictures and the diagnosing people fail to correct or even reinforce these, for whatever reasons.

grizeldatee Wrote:
I will make some people angry with this post I am sure.  All three of our children are "high-functioning." Even so, we were spending over $2000 per month on therapies out of pocket for a while last year. We had no way to do this without taking on debt. Acknowledging that the issues that can accompany any ASD might be costly doesn't bother me so very much.


It doesn't bother me either in acknowledging the financial difficulties that go along with legitimate therapies/education. I just don't like the use of "burden" to describe disabled people (or any people, for that matter).

I also must admit ignorance, both on the state of insurance in America (except for the fact that it's sorry), and on the idea of paying for things. My family has been poor and in debt for my whole life, so paying for a therapy out of pocket has never been a question with a viable "yes" answer to it (perhaps another indicator of the sorry state of insurance).

I probably could have benefited from some kind of speech therapy or something, when younger, but at the time we didn't even know of any options being available, and even if we did, we would have no way to pay for it. And since my schools generally look at my IEP profile as that of a "high-functioning student with Asperger's who excels in academics but is a bit shy" (although I would contest the "excels in academics" and the "shy" parts, as well as the validity of functioning labels), the school has basically thought it unheard of that I may need anything more than 30 minutes speech therapy every week or so and extended time on tests. I usually need something to be suggested before I can evaluated it for whether it would help me or not; I am not really able (most of the time) to come up out of the blue and say "I need X" unless X has already been mentioned.

jedimom777 Wrote:
Especially if they lack the resources to provide the constant teaching and care that helps so much.


I agree. For the first few years of elementary school (mostly kindergarten, first, and third grade) I felt basically like I was plunked into a classroom of my own where I would just do my own thing and the only attention was when it was negative.

There were certain benefits to being practically invisible (except when crying or screaming or throwing things, of course - I remember one time throwing woodchips at a group of boys because I was trying to play, but then they just told a teacher and got me in trouble - I didn't understand why), and to some degree just being allowed to do my own thing was beneficial and allowed me to deal with the stresses of bullying and just plain being in an over-stimulating environment. However, I wish that people had started figuring out that me not responding to my name or other instructions was me not understanding them, not because I was misbehaving.

First grade was especially stressful academically, because I was just learning how to write my letters on the dotted line which everybody else had done by kindergarten - and boy was it tough; I was kept in almost every single recess that year to practice my letters, and the teacher just kept getting frustrated that I couldn't get things written in the right proportions - especially since I was learning at a slower rate than the kindergarten students (my class was about 6 first grade students with about 15-20 kindergarteners - I was number 11). It certainly didn't help that my hand hurt quickly.

I was also expected to do addition with carrying numbers over, which it took me a long time to learn. My teachers easily frustrated with me. Some more understanding would've made me feel like less of a failure (which highly contrasted with my reputation at my house with being particularly smart). I really should have had some extra help, and I think I would've been a lot less frustrated with academics if I could've gone to a resource room to work on them. Also it was really hard to color inside the lines.

I wonder how many letters it would take before his staff told him that somebody disagrees with curebieism?

jedimom777 Wrote:
Did any of those intense urges like avoiding tasks by sorting and rocking or your urges to hit people sort of dissipate as you got older or do you think training was more responsible?  And did any of the really antisocial stuff go away as you learned to communicate?  When did you learn to write?  I would love to know your answers and those of anyone who gets this post...


It wasn't so much like I had an urge to avoid the tasks, as I might have an urge to avoid clutter, and the hitting thing (both self and others) was more a response to stress and frustration - whether because someone was being mean to me and not understanding, or because it was chaotic environment and I couldn't do anything about it, or if I was trying to punish myself for the "bad" behavior. I still self-injure, but with far less frequency than I used to (it used to be many times per day; now it's maybe once every day or so).

Mostly why I wouldn't participate in the activities was because I didn't understand the spoken instructions, and it was chaotic with noise and movement. I also have and have had difficulty in initiating speech to seek help, to let someone know I don't understand (in fourth grade it would take an hour or two to figure out how to get the teacher's attention and ask for a pencil so I could write - I lost my pencils a lot). Most of the time I would just stare at the wall, but sometimes we'd have some beads or shapes or something left over from another activity, and I would interact with these things that I could understand more. (Also, I just plain like sorting things - much how a kid might like to color in coloring books more than do math, I preferred sorting shapes to writing and using scissors.)

I didn't really get any training, formal or informal, except if you count my mom physically making sure I didn't hit myself or others (on a few occasions during this I have hit them, but I was so sorry about it and sad that I would cry and apologize profusely). I started diverting it sometimes to things like hitting and throwing remote controls and video game controls (my parents had to restrict access to video games because I would get frustrated and do these things, but I didn't really care for video games too much anyway). As I got older I would start to divert it to hitting pillows (at my dad's suggestion) and stomping my feet (some of the hitting and headbanging is because I have so much energy, and that was just the default way of releasing it when I can't just get up and run, such as during class or at home doing homework).

So it has dissipated significantly, but well I guess my parents' suggestions to divert it combined with their expression of their concern for me hurting myself count as an informal type of training. Probably if we'd had some outside help then I could've gotten where I am faster than I have.

Rocking and other stims haven't really dissipated, in fact, if anything, I do them more, however discouraged I have been from doing them. It's one of the ways I process information and handle stress, and I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that it's a better way of handling things than injuring myself. Each year of high school, by the second semester things go on a decline, and my grades slip to nearly failing, and I do my best to bring them back up before the semester's end. I keep an extraordinarily busy schedule, one that many NT students would find overwhelming, so it makes sense that I can barely cope with it, but this certainly wouldn't be possible without stimming. I used to suppress them, to little good effect, but that really was counter-productive to my goals.

I'm not sure what you mean by anti-social, and even if I did, I'm not sure how well I could answer that. I wasn't really given a genuine opportunity to be social unfettered until the 9th grade. I have undergone bullying from name calling to assault and battery from kindergarten to 8th grade, and under this cloud of intimidation, I had few opportunities to socialize, and not the energy when the opportunities did arise (I was too busy dealing with the bullies and the school work).

So I don't know if I would've avoided or sought socializing. Mostly I sought to socialize, but I knew by age 6 that even people who acted like they wanted to be my friend were likely just pretending so they could make fun of me behind my back. It seemed pretty pointless, though there were a few people I would consider friendly (unfortunately, one of these people in 8th grade turned out to be a jerk and called this guy in history class a *** because he obsessed with trains - I felt it was equally an insult upon me, aside from the offensiveness of her term).

In fact, I made very many attempts to communicate and reach out socially to my peers. Most of these were rebuffed, however, because of my "freak" status, and I decided that these people weren't worth my time, and in the process developed my own prejudices against people who have more typical interests and modes of expression (such as excessive talking), as well as prejudicing myself against anything stereotypically feminine, and these didn't start breaking down until in high school I met accepting people who were more typical in these ways, and I realized that just because the people I knew in elementary school were materialistic, spoiled bad apples, doesn't mean everyone is.

I started typing before I went to school. There was a Sesame Street computer typing program, and it typed in big letters, which helped especially as this was pre-glasses, and I didn't know how to use a big font or zoom in Microsoft Word, and didn't notice that my vision was blurry until my parents realized I had to squint and get up close to things before reading them (as a baby my dad let me type random letters on his typewriter). So I would learn words. My dad would always write in his notebook, and I asked what the words were. I remember learning the word "I" that day.

I wanted to be an author and write stories, so this was my main motivation. That, and I couldn't convey in speech what I could by writing (by third grade I would write on my own essays about the school system, freedom of speech, and injustices I would face such as being forced to dance with the boy who had tried to strangle me and when he cut my hands with his nails and I ran off to the teacher about it that I was the one punished and made to go to the principal's office).

I also wrote about things like if there was life on Mars and the evils of political campaign ads that don't address issues and just try to make each other look bad. In fact, it's because of my writing ability that I was able to transfer from the school where the worst bullies would follow me to, so in fact this early emphasis on writing rather than speaking perhaps is what kept me from dropping out of school and having a positive high school experience instead - not that anyone should be put into this situation in the first place...

In the case of siblings, I think it's very important that they are made to understand and not to focus anger towards the autistic person because of things like not being able to go and do all the things they would otherwise. You can't stop siblings from having some resentment, whether there's an autistic person or not in the family, but certainly they should understand things like the autistic person isn't deliberately not doing the dishes, or whatever it is they can't do (like go to a loud event, or appear normal). My sisters always complained about having to do stuff that I didn't have to do. I don't think my parents really talked much about autism to them, except for later on (apparently my parents had misunderstood when they asked me if I wanted them to know or not, they thought I'd said, no, I don't want them to know. or something).

So I guess that's pretty much what I have to say about this. Hope it answers your questions.

honestjohn Wrote:
Jedimom777, John is 11 and it is the stress associated with his new school/5th grade /sensory overload, that is Starting to make John  John avoid tasks and is rocking more than ever.  We kept it simple in general for him and he could then do alot of self modulating.  I think it is asking too much that brings on excessive angst.  MAybe that is why older aspies feel a bit better when they are older.  They directly control their interactions.. and can modulate the physical world and then not need to do as much with their physical body .. Just a thoery I just came up with - may be absolute rubbish...


Not sure I understand everything being said here, but I do remember that I wasn't "in tune" with my physical body much until about age 11 or 12 ("in tune" here being defined as being able to make a non-instinctual/reflexive movement without it being as if pulling a lever to get that particular limb to do that particular movement - this is mainly why I was in Adaptive P.E. in elementary and junior high school, and why taekwondo is difficult for me now).

Quote:

"[W]e must build a world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes and discrimination."


I like how he says that right after calling us a dreadful burden

nathanww Wrote:

Quote:

"[W]e must build a world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes and discrimination."


I like how he says that right after calling us a dreadful burden


he's probably saying discrimination for 'our brave caregivers that have to put up with us terrible burdens of nothing', saying that it's unfair to judge the parents because of their kids.

grizeldatee Wrote:
I will make some people angry with this post I am sure.  All three of our children are "high-functioning." Even so, we were spending over $2000 per month on therapies out of pocket for a while last year. We had no way to do this without taking on debt. Acknowledging that the issues that can accompany any ASD might be costly doesn't bother me so very much.

not angry, but perplexed. If they are high functioning, why would they need so much expensive intervention? It doesn't make sense because surely what they would mostly need is understanding from the school system and that shouldn't cost anything.

I think somebody is making a lot of money out of autism.

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