Aspies For Freedom

I look at it as the ghost of the "refrigerator mother" theory haunting the minds of frantic parents whose primary information source about their newly dx'd kids are Jenny McCarchy and/or Autism Speaks. Of course that idea is bull, but even when you know something's not true, doesn't mean it won't haunt you. Anyone who's had an irrational fear knows what this is like. They know that they didn't cause it, which is good, but the thing they don't realize yet is that autism isn't the horrible tragedy they had in mind before they knew autistic people. Without that realization, they'll need to find someone/thing to blame. I feel sorry for people who are lied to and manipulated upon this way.

here's the transcript if you're interested: http://tr anscripts.c nn.com/TRAN SCRI PTS/08 04/0 2/lk l.01.h tml (link broken).

LOL.

Maybe she forgot to bathe for a few days. Seriously, her facial structure is quite masculine and she is handsome rather than pretty. It is a real shame that she has got her metaphorical knickers in such a knot over having a child with autism.

I wonder if Jim Carrey is manic? Or if it is just a persona he has in movies?

Also I think we should keep in our minds that there is a distinction between someone who is pro-cure and someone who is curebie. All curebies are pro-cure, of course, but I think the word "curebie" implies a bit more - a blatant sort of disregard. Given the fact that the major autism organizations are almost all pro-cure, and given the dismal predictions doctors give to parents who don't know any better, it's only natural that many people will be pro-cure even if they are otherwise reasonable people who'd be receptive to our views. It's because of this that I think it's important that we should phrase our skepticism of people like McCarthy in tactful terms, just about the facts and the arguments rather than speculation about personal characteristics such as whether she can read and such.

Having said that, I well understand the need to vent, after seeing how our perspective is so frequently ignored, and dismissed with faulty arguments we've each seen 100 times over, and refuted them when having the energy to do so. But I think it would be more appropriate to reserve this type of venting for the General and Support fora. After all, these aren't visible to people who are just coming over here to see what we're all about (of course it's still easy to register and see more, but I think initial impressions of our viewpoints ought not to be based on such venting-type responses.

Wow, on TV now they're showing a factory where they make pita bread, and it goes through an oven of over 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit for about 15 seconds and they puff up, with extremely hot air still inside.

Just thought that was an interesting aside.

Thanks!

I think my concerns were less over Jenny McCarthy specifically than they were general thoughts about the site, and in reaching out to curious visitors who we could welcome and educate about what our positions really are, rather than them being persuaded by the louder curebie voices that say, "look, these neurodiversity advocates want us to just sit around and let our kids bang their heads all day!"

That would mean that the rape would have to be reported within a certain time limit or spiteful women would use that for denying child visitation access to the father when they got divorced.  Or they could say they only married the father because they were raped.  

Only 1% of abortions are due to rape or incest.  source http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionStatistics.htm (same source says that only 1% of abortions are due to fetal defects but we know that can't be true.  Most people would likely not answer the survey anyway.  

Of course many people never report the reason why they are having an abortion.  Date rape is probably a common reason for abortion, not attacks by strangers.  I have some problems with that.  Women really should not go off alone with men they really don't know well and expect that they will always stop when they say "no" to sex.  Men should respect "no" but not all do.  It is still a matter of responsibility.  

I thought we didn't need this thread to be about abortion.

JUST LET THIS THREAD DIE!   I will bring a flower wreath.  Wear a black dress.  \

Who will do the eulogy?

I just read that botox toxins can migrate into the brain.

http://www.cosmeticsdesign-europe.com/ne...oxins-rats

"04-Apr-2008 - A new scientific study on rats suggests that the anti-wrinkle treatment Botox may be able to move from the skin into the brain, degrading proteins and acting on nerves.
The study, which was headed up by Matteo Caleo of the Italian National Research Council's Institute of Neuroscience, is said to show for the first time that the botulinum toxin may affect the brain.

The rat study showed that only a fraction of the toxin was carried through to the proteins and nerves in the brain, with the rest remaining at the injection site.

Findings show cause for 'concern'

But despite the fact that the tiny amount of toxin that was transferred to the brain area during the injection process having no noticeable affect on the rats' behaviour, Caleo says that the findings still show cause for 'concern'.

Although the amount of Botox used in anti-wrinkle procedures is relatively small, Caleo says that it will still be important to carry out further research to better understand the migration of the toxin through brain nerves as well as the specific impact on humans.

The study, which was published in the Journal of Neuroscience this week, entailed rats being injected with botulinum neurotoxin around the whisker muscles of the face.

Three days after the injections the team assessed the impact the injections had had on the connected brain areas, finding that diluted amounts of the toxins had reached the related brain cells.

More research needed

As well as having specific medical applications such as the treatment of facial ticks, Botox has seen huge worldwide growth as a non-invasive anti-wrinkle treatment.

"These findings reveal a novel pathway of botulinum trafficking in neurons and have important implications for the clinical uses of this neurotoxin," the study concluded.

Although the study findings might have some positive applications for research into the treatment of overactive brain neurons, the findings may turn out to have less positive repercussions for individuals seeking the treatment for cosmetic reasons.

In Europe Botox has really taken off in recent years, with British consumers leading the way in the take up of the treatment.

The Harley Medical Group estimates that in the past two years the number of non-surgical procedures such as Botox and collagen fillers has more than doubled to reach 472,000 in 2007, compared to 230,000 in 2005."

I suggest some celebrites like Pamela Anderson and Jenny McCarthy volunteer for such studies and save the rats.  ---but they would actually have to prove that they had a brain.

There are several living brain donors in politics I have been told.

Yes there are some very useful treatments.  I would think that people who really need botox must require much larger doses of it than just using it for cosmetic purposes.  

I would be very very worried about a child getting botox injections.

I don't know if this information is up to date:

Jenny McCarthy
Born November 1, 1972, in Chicago, IL; daughter of Dan (a steel plant foreman) and Linda (a courtroom custodian) McCarthy; married John Mallory Asher (anactor and director), September 11, 1999 (separated); children: Evan Joseph Asher. (now married to Jim Carey)

Addresses: Agent: Erwin More, William Morris Agency, One WilliamMorris Place, Beverly Hills, CA 90212.; Publicist: Brad Cafarelli, Bragman/Nyman/Cafarelli, Pacific Design Center, 8687 Melrose Ave., 8th Floor, Los Angeles, CA 90069.

William Morris Agency
One William Morris Place
Beverly Hills, California 90212
Phone: 310-859-4000
Fax: 310-859-4462  (from their website, 2008)

and still represented by William Morris Agency as of 2005.

I'm going to be bad, here.  

That sounds like a movement from the excremental symphony

Ah, yes, that's right.  

Gotta watch those polyps.  They bring disharmony through[/quote]out the bowel