03-24-2008, 04:14 PM
03-25-2008, 01:02 AM
If it does pass, then please go out aspie men and donate sperm to sperm banks en masse without disclosing your diagnosis.
Aspie couples, please go out and get IVF, and tell the clinic you will sue them in the european court of human rights if they comply with the bill. ECHR overrides member state law.
Aspie couples, please go out and get IVF, and tell the clinic you will sue them in the european court of human rights if they comply with the bill. ECHR overrides member state law.
03-25-2008, 02:23 PM
aspiemama Wrote:
...Will we soon not be "allowed" to keep a baby that a prenatal screening shows will have a disability? That scares me.
This is the scary thing.
From what I read, they're not allowed to positively select an embryo with a disability, i.e. deaf parents wanting a deaf child.
But if there are, say, six embryos, and a couple of them text positive for AS or ASDs, and the doctors are only allowed to implant two embryos, to implant the AS/ASDs would amount to positive selection, although not to select them would be okay... if that makes any sense.
If you can't select them, then they are de facto deselected, and there is the potential for AS/ASD people being wiped out in future. Unless it's some kind of recessive gene that somehow skips a few generations and switches on... It's a very nuanced argument, but the upshot would probably be that AS/ASD embryos would be progressed to implantation. Although they would say it's not deselection of such embryos, it's more the positive selection of NT 'normal' embryos.
03-25-2008, 03:56 PM
Someone make a petition!
Maybe there are one already, the disability community is larger then the autism community - after all.
Maybe there are one already, the disability community is larger then the autism community - after all.
03-26-2008, 09:18 AM
Problem is: it is a clique.
03-26-2008, 11:25 AM
Guess that's the word.
03-26-2008, 11:26 AM
Confirmed by the free online dictionary.
03-27-2008, 04:37 PM
johnH Wrote:
well honestly what about calling it facist instead?
Eugenics.
04-01-2008, 04:17 PM
My concern was that we wouldn't be taken seriously.
alectrum
07-17-2008, 10:02 AM
Arctoris Wrote:
Timelord Wrote:
Right - the way to combat this is simple.
Alert the House of Lords.
The government doesn't control them, and when the sheer stupidity of this Act is shown to them, they'll vote it down - and send a message back to Gordon Brown and his cronies saying categorically that "this is discrimination on the basis of disability and we will never pass such a provision - even when limited to IVF".
And just to back it up, alert Buckingham Palace to this as well.
Alert the House of Lords.
The government doesn't control them, and when the sheer stupidity of this Act is shown to them, they'll vote it down - and send a message back to Gordon Brown and his cronies saying categorically that "this is discrimination on the basis of disability and we will never pass such a provision - even when limited to IVF".
And just to back it up, alert Buckingham Palace to this as well.
The House of Lords is a relatively powerless body in British Politics. They could do little to stop its passage. Perhaps they could delay it for awhile, but nothing more. And what makes you think that they would care if it's discriminatory?
While the House of Lord is relatively powerless, they are very good for highlighting issues to mainstream society. And contacting the Palace might give them a reason to bring up the debate with the government.
alectrum
07-17-2008, 10:07 AM
Gareth Wrote:
If it does pass, then please go out aspie men and donate sperm to sperm banks en masse without disclosing your diagnosis.
Aspie couples, please go out and get IVF, and tell the clinic you will sue them in the european court of human rights if they comply with the bill. ECHR overrides member state law.
Aspie couples, please go out and get IVF, and tell the clinic you will sue them in the european court of human rights if they comply with the bill. ECHR overrides member state law.
That's a good idea Gareth. It would take just one Aspie couple being refused IVF to create a publicity storm and a major challenge to the bill.
alectrum
07-17-2008, 11:09 AM
Timelord Wrote:
Arctoris Wrote:
Timelord Wrote:
Right - the way to combat this is simple.
Alert the House of Lords.
The government doesn't control them, and when the sheer stupidity of this Act is shown to them, they'll vote it down - and send a message back to Gordon Brown and his cronies saying categorically that "this is discrimination on the basis of disability and we will never pass such a provision - even when limited to IVF".
And just to back it up, alert Buckingham Palace to this as well.
Alert the House of Lords.
The government doesn't control them, and when the sheer stupidity of this Act is shown to them, they'll vote it down - and send a message back to Gordon Brown and his cronies saying categorically that "this is discrimination on the basis of disability and we will never pass such a provision - even when limited to IVF".
And just to back it up, alert Buckingham Palace to this as well.
The House of Lords is a relatively powerless body in British Politics. They could do little to stop its passage. Perhaps they could delay it for awhile, but nothing more. And what makes you think that they would care if it's discriminatory?
Of course they have the power! If it doesn't pass the House of Lords it doesn't become law. That's the way the Westminster system works (we have a similar system in Australia at federal level and most of the states for the Americans in here). And even if they did for some stupid reason it still has to be signed off by the Queen for it to become law.
Margaret Thatcher got tired of the House of Lords overruling her bills, and so she introduced a new law that says that the Commons can overrule the Lords and push forward a bill that has been rejected by the House of Lords.
08-20-2008, 11:59 PM
If this horror passes, then I think it'l take at most one case, one set of aspie parents kicking up an almighty great shitstorm before its all over the papers 'government made them kill my baby' stuff, before they will be forced to back down.
That one autie couple, though, is one too many.
That one autie couple, though, is one too many.
08-29-2008, 02:56 PM
It wasn't hatred, more like extreme irritation. There is a difference, you know.
08-30-2008, 12:37 PM
Thanks Flardox. It's just a bugbear of mine at the moment that even quite mild instances of disagreement are referred to as "hate speech".