Aspies For Freedom

I wouldn't doubt it. He's the same guy that thinks HIV can be transmitted just by walking by someone.

Huckabee is just as bad as people make him out to be and worse. He is a racist, homophobic, misogynistic, theocratic, anti-intellectual, delusional, raving lunatic.

Here is just one of many scary quotes by him:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_A..._0115.html

He wants to amend the Constitution to make it more Biblical. I cannot imagine a scarier sentiment coming from a politician. He would be worse than Bush.

You cannot see why amending the Constitution to make it more Biblical is a bad thing? You truly cannot see how that is the worst possible thing that could be done to the people of this country? Amending the Constitution to make it more Biblical would make this nation into a Theocracy. Theocracies are one of the worst, if not the worst form of government ever to exist. The people of this nation cannot allow an American Theocracy to come into existence.

Very true. Greenhouse gas emissions would also be reduced significantly by eliminating goats, sheep, cattle, and pigs. I do not doubt that someday that these sort of measures will become necessary if the population of the world continues to increase so that our resources will be preserved. I would miss the meat, milk, and eggs though. I quite like all of those products and I would certainly be reluctant to give them up. Hopefully lab grown meat, eggs, and milk will be perfected and I won't have to do without.

I do not claim that it is a good idea to wait for an emergency, but I really don't see it happening any other way. People do not change unless they are forced to change. People will not stop eating vast amounts of meat until they no longer are able to sustain eating it. People will not stop driving huge automobiles until they no longer are able to afford driving them or the oil runs out.

Perhaps action on the Federal level is possible to affect a prohibition of meat products, but that sort of bill would encounter more opposition than any other bill before.

Part of the problem is that Homo sapiens has been an omnivorous species since we first started to hunt down other animals hundreds of thousands of years ago. It is quite difficult to change the diet of an entire species.

And who is this Temple Grandin?

She is an autistic who has her PhD in animal sciences.  She also devotes time to study and write about autism, including several autobiographies (http://www.templegrandin.com/templegrandinart.html).  

I had read several of her books when I came accross a pamphlet of a conference for which she was to be presenter.  I was impressed because her bio was about her accomplishments in her field of expertise - without any mention of her "disability."  

She loves cows, and realizes (like you) that she could not convence people to stop murdering them.  So she designed a way to do it as humanely as possible.  about half the slaughter houses use them b/c the economic benefits of selling meat that is not full of stress hormones and bruises is impressive.  about 10% of the slaughter houses hire her to do yearly inspections.  this small percentage is the most humane of all.

American RadioWorks: McDonald's New Farm
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All Things Considered, April 29, 2002 · McDonald's executives say they might never have adopted animal welfare guidelines if they hadn't met Temple Grandin. The unlikely partnership between a global fast food giant and a woman with autism is prompting the entire U.S. food industry to make "animal welfare" a major issue. For All Things Considered and American RadioWorks, Daniel Zwerdling reports.

McDonald's and Chickens
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Talk of the Nation, April 16, 2002 ·
Guests:

Daniel Zwerdling
* Senior Correspondent, NPR News and American Radio Works

Ellen Haas
* Chairman and CEO of Foodfit.com
* Former, Under Secretary for Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services, Department of Agriculture under the Clinton Administration
* Author, Great Adventures in Food (Griffin Trade , 2001)

Terrie Dort
* President of the National Council of Chain Restaurants

Temple Grandin
* Associate Professor of Animal Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, Colorado
* Designer of livestock handling facilities in the United States, Canada, Europe, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, and other countries
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=1142532

McDonalds is changing the way it collects its eggs. The fast food chain is demanding more humane treatment for the chickens that lay its Egg McMuffins. What other changes are coming? And how much attention do you pay to where your food comes from?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=1141766

stop breeding them and the issue you broach would be short-lived.  

I propose vegan.  Vegetarians continue to consume dairy, which requires breeding and killing all the boys (and taking the milk from all of the babies)

They also consume eggs.  Chickens are soooo poorly treated.  They are crammed in cages so tight that they go insane and start pecking each other to death.  

Solution?  cut off their beaks (and don't think for one minure they use anesthsia or pain killers.  Just fill em full of antibiotics and keep them laying.  Even free-range is is just a way to fool the consumer into thinking the chickens are better off.

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture requires that chickens raised for their meat have access to the outdoors in order to receive the free-range certification. Free-range chicken eggs, however, have no legal definition in the United States. Likewise, free-range egg producers have no common standard on what the term means. Many egg farmers sell their eggs as free range merely because their cages are 2 or 3 inches above average size, or there is a window in the shed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_range)."

Even if each of you has one animal-free meal a week, it would go a long way to reducing this cruelty.

okay - breed them to kill them in inhumane ways in order for us to eat their flesh....its worse than genocide.  Really pretty gross.

There are certainly things worse than genocide. It just takes a bit more imagination and effort.

it IS genocide

it IS torture

it IS disgusting

to think it is not is specism.  it is that kind of thinking that allows people to kill
jews
blacks
disabled
gays
serbs or bosnians
tutis or hutus

its people who think they have more of a right to be on earth than others

I dare you to meet your dinner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmAJlwLnQI

this is not an isolate incident.  this happens every day. all over the US
just for you

tonight, NPR had a broadcast on the transport of horses from spain to itally

disgusting

I had hoped it was better other other places

just cut out one meat meal a week and you will do a world of good

i don't know how i posted the same response twice  - sorry!!

just a reminder....

if you gotta eat fast food

eat mcdonalds

its the most humane

(but try to cut out one meal of flesh a week anyway)

All species, with the possible exception of dogs, prefer their own species over all others. The reason for this preference is that all species seek to survive and breed. That is the prime directive of life. Therefore, all species will naturally display speciesism and attempt to preserve their existence even at the cost of others.

This is true for humans also. When we end a life, we fell more trepidation about ending another human's life than another species' because by the virtue of millions of years of evolution, we have a natural aversion to destroying our own species. This aversion to taking life disappears as we drift away from species that we view as less similar. The species that we view as most similar is the dog. Not because a dog looks particularly like us, but because a dog has been with us for longer than any other species. There is no such closeness with cattle or chickens, which were domesticated thousands of years after the domestication of the dog. Therefore we are quite willing to kill cattle and chickens in order to feed ourselves.

Also, I'm not sure whether or not the slaughter of other animals is genocide as we do not do it with the intent to annihilate them all.

but to do such harm to other species?

that is psychotic!

you are obviously going to continue to support this abuse

justified any way possible

(bet you didn't even view the video)

at least choose mcdonolds over burger king

avoid KFC at all costs

drop a meat meal once a week?  a month?  a year (please)?  

there's delicious cruelty-free meals (I'll send you recipes)

i hope my passion didn't make you feel bad (a bit uncomfortable okay, but not bad)

I don't want to be cruel to you either

ttfn

Wow, thanks for sharing this.  I wish there were more like you!!